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Charlton Canadian Price Variants (22nd Mar 19 at 8:23pm UTC)
Evidently, I never migrated this list from my old board which is shut down.
http://defiant1.proboards.com/thread/2579/charlton-canadian-price-variants

Credit for the info goes to Doug Sulipa, Mike Oxsmall, and Metarog, and myself.
Mike & Metarog alerted me to the existence and provided examples. Doug Sulipa defined the date range and most likely made all of us aware of these. I took Doug's info and filled it in with issue numbers. (Revised date range under review 9/6/2019)

Attack (1971)
39, 40, 41, 42, 43, 44, 45, 46 , 47 (Removed 4 issues 9/6/2019)
Battlefield Action (1957) 83, 84, 85, 86, 87
Beyond the Grave (1975) 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16 (Removed 4 issues 9/11/2019)
Billy the Kid (1957) 153 (Removed 9/11/2019)
Fightin' Army (1957) 162, 163, 164, 165, 166, 167, 168, 169, 170 (Removed 4 issues 9/12/2019)
Fightin' Marines (1955) 167, 168, 169, 170, 171, 172, 173, 174, 175 (Removed 3 issues 9/12/2019)
Fightin' Navy (1956) 126, 127, 128, 129, 130, 131, 132 (Removed 2 issues 9/12/2019)
Ghost Manor (1971) 67, 68, 69, 70, 71, 72, 73, 74, 75 (Removed 4 issues 9/12/2019)
Ghostly Tales (1966) 159, 160, 161, 162, 163, 164, 165, 166, 167, 168 (Removed 5 issues 9/12/2019)
Gunfighters (1966) 77, 78, 79, 80, 81, 82, 83, 83, 84, 85 (Removed 3 issues 9/12/2019)
Haunted (1971) 65, 66, 67, 68, 69, 70, 71, 72, 73, 74 (Removed 3 issues 9/12/2019)
Scary Tales (1975)37, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 43, 44, 45 (Removed 4 issues 9/12/2019)
Soap Opera Love (1983) 1, 2, 3 (Removed 9/13/2019)
Soap Opera Romances (1982) 5 (Removed 9/13/2019)
War (1975) 37, 38, 39,40, 41, 42, 43, 44, 45, 46 (Removed 4 issues 9/12/2019)

Possible Additions:

Cartoon Carnival (1962) 106(?)-110
Good Humor (circa 1961) 107(?) - 116

Since compiling this list in 2010 or so, I have become skeptical the the last issues for a series had a price variant released. I do not believe that Soap Opera Romances #5 or Billy the Kid #153 exist. I do not believe that Beyond the Grave exists because Charlton has both the U.S. and Canadian price on the cover of the U.S. version. These all still could exist, but none have appeared in the wild in the past 9 years.

There is an example of a Modern Promotions (Modern Comics) book having a U.S. version with the American & Canadian prices on the cover and also having a price variant with just the Canadian price on it. Voltron #1 is the specific comic I'm referring too.
[Special Note: Charlton & Modern are two different publishers despite Modern reprinting some Charlton comics.]

It has recently been discovered that Cartoon Carnival #28 has a 35¢ & 40¢ version. The 40¢ could be a price variant that predates the ones in the 80's. It has been reported that Cartoon Carnival #27 has a magazine sized version and a comic sized version. The magazine sized version could have been produced for the Canada market.

I have scans that are not yet uploaded and linked to my checklist. The proposed checklist above has been filling in nicely, but it is still incomplete. Some online guides don't know about the variants and show Canadian versions instead of the U.S. version.

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Re: Charlton Canadian Price Variants (11th Aug 19 at 3:50pm UTC)
Hello {Cool}

Where are all these pre-September 1983 cover dated Charlton Canadian Price Variants Def? I keep seeing dates as early as 02/83 being mentioned but have never seen an example?

My own research indicates no more than five CPVs existing for the eligible bi-monthly titles, starting from September 83 to July 84 inclusive.

Where be all the others?

And, more importantly, where has me avatar gone? {Grin}
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Re: Charlton Canadian Price Variants (11th Aug 19 at 7:55pm UTC)
I see your avatar just fine. It's been showing up every time I visit.

I know of no 75¢ price variants from early 1983. The original posts where I learned about the variants are no longer on the web unless they are archived at the Internet Archive. I may have a pdf that I printed of the thread.

My list has Battlefield Action #83 as the earliest possible Canadian Price variant for that series and it has an Oct. 1983 cover date.

I think it's a very safe bet that there are no 75¢ variants before September. I will sometimes say that the price variants are from 1983 & 1984. I don't get more specific because those are the dates I sometimes enter for web searches. I think it's unlikely there is a price variant for Battlefield Action #88 because it has dual pricing on the cover.
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I'm using Battlefield Action as an example because I have a full set of cover images for those Canadian variants.

I had to take a hiatus from doing updates due to vehicle repairs and hospital visits. All is fine, but most of my spare time was consumed.
I jumped back into doing updates on the dreadful Blue Bird Shoe Store comics. It's nowhere near as much fun as locating a Canadian price variant or a pence price variant.

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Re: Charlton Canadian Price Variants (12th Aug 19 at 8:35pm UTC)
It's back now Def (the avatar). Not sure why it was absent on my last visit. The site does take some time to load for me, maybe that's got something to do with it. We need a bigger pipe!

Anyway, take a peak at this if you get time and tell me if I have anything wrong:

https://www.cgccomics.com/boards/topic/455835-charlton-canadian-price-variants/?tab=comments#comment-10813876

I agree with you about the dual pricing from August/September 1984. In all my other research strands, that always signifies the end of the variant price experiment so I don't think any CPVs will surface cover dated later than July 1984.

I wonder whether any title will have more than 5 CPVs? If my dates are right, the maximum will be six copies for any of the in scope titles, but so far I see that six titles have only 5. Bit coincidental.

Also if my dates are right, there will be no Billy the Kid, Soap Opera Love or Soap Opera Romances. Not sure why they crop up on lists across the web, when there are no copies that I can see in existence?

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Re: Charlton Canadian Price Variants (12th Aug 19 at 10:56pm UTC)
I sent you a PM with a link to a pdf file. It is the source of my original quest.

I see nothing inherently wrong with your post. To my recollection, Billy the Kid, Soap Opera Love or Soap Opera Romances were in the possible date range. I don't think they exist, but I still do searches for them.
I did not do the spreadsheet breakdown by month. If I'm wrong for listing them, it's because no one took me up on my request to check the info I posted. Image

I'm not ruling out variants for the adult humor magazines. At some point I'll check the titles in question and cross-reference it to the months you came up with. For now, I'm sticking with my list in order to err on the side of caution. I scrutinized the dates 7 years ago and I have not tried to retrace those step since all of the information was from external sources anyway. Searching for the covers involved trust that my sources were correct. So far, most of it has been. Your research sounds good though. I have 5 CPV's for Beyond the Grave and I've had no luck with locating 8, 9, & 10.

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Re: Charlton Canadian Price Variants (12th Aug 19 at 11:08pm UTC)
The pdf I sent you explains where the February 1983 date came from.

mike-oxsmall wrote: (in 2010)
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Below is the list from Doug Sulpia of Comic World in the Overstreet Annual Price Guide #36, listing
the publishers and years they produce comics for the Canadian market.
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Charlton Comics 2/1983-8/1984


It looks like OPG #36 is a key publication in this search.

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Re: Charlton Canadian Price Variants (13th Aug 19 at 2:54pm UTC)
Cheers for the pdf.

For the benefit of the wider reading audience, I suspect the 02/83 start date may be a red herring. I'll drop Doug a line to see if he can elaborate...
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Re: Charlton Canadian Price Variants (13th Aug 19 at 3:29pm UTC)
Overstreet has been known to post false information intentionally. Surely they wouldn't do that with a market status article, but it's possible.

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Re: Charlton Canadian Price Variants (6th Sep 19 at 9:09am UTC)
Since your info aligns with my data over the past 9 years, my plan is to use your dates as a guideline. I will be removing the listings I have that are prior to your date range. That will clean up the dead spots on my checklist where I have been unable to locate scans.

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Re: Charlton Canadian Price Variants (6th Sep 19 at 11:27pm UTC)
I will be editing the first message with date range revisions starting today.

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Re: Charlton Canadian Price Variants (11th Sep 19 at 6:54am UTC)
Removed some from the list today.

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Re: Charlton Canadian Price Variants (11th Sep 19 at 4:33pm UTC)
 
Since your info aligns with my data over the past 9 years, my plan is to use your dates as a guideline. I will be removing the listings I have that are prior to your date range. That will clean up the dead spots on my checklist where I have been unable to locate scans.

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I've only just gotten around to mailing Doug, Def - I'll let you know if he replies and what he says if so.

No one has come froward to contradict my dates in my CGC thread yet:

https://www.cgccomics.com/boards/topic/455835-charlton-canadian-price-variants/

I would imagine if Doug verifies it too, that will be that. If we all agree....
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Re: Charlton Canadian Price Variants (11th Sep 19 at 5:46pm UTC)
My guess is that he's working from memory.
Memories can be flawed.
Your dates make sense and it's consistent with what I've seen.

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Re: Charlton Canadian Price Variants (13th Sep 19 at 7:54am UTC)
 
My guess is that he's working from memory.
Memories can be flawed.
Your dates make sense and it's consistent with what I've seen.

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I heard back from Doug - he has double checked his inventory and agrees that the date range for these is September 1983 to July 1984 {Cool}

So I make the new potential issue list as follows

Attack (1971) 42, 43, 44, 45, 46
Battlefield Action (1957) 83, 84, 85, 86, 87
Beyond the Grave (1975) 11, 12, 13, 14, 15
Fightin' Army (1957) 166, 167, 168, 169, 170
Fightin' Marines (1955) 170, 171, 172, 173, 174, 175
Fightin' Navy (1956) 127, 128, 129, 130, 131
Ghost Manor (1971) 70, 71, 72, 73, 74, 75
Ghostly Tales (1966) 163, 164, 165, 166, 167
Gunfighters (1966) 80, 81, 82, 83, 84, 85
Haunted (1971) 69, 70, 71, 72, 73, 74
Scary Tales (1975) 40, 41, 42, 43, 44
War (1975) 41, 42, 43, 44, 45

64 possible issues in total, across 12 titles of which I have confirmation of 47



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Re: Charlton Canadian Price Variants (13th Sep 19 at 3:29pm UTC)
Great work on this, gentlemen.
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Re: Charlton Canadian Price Variants (13th Sep 19 at 4:14pm UTC)
 
 
My guess is that he's working from memory.
Memories can be flawed.
Your dates make sense and it's consistent with what I've seen.

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I heard back from Doug - he has double checked his inventory and agrees that the date range for these is September 1983 to July 1984 {Cool}

So I make the new potential issue list as follows

Attack (1971) 42, 43, 44, 45, 46
Battlefield Action (1957) 83, 84, 85, 86, 87
Beyond the Grave (1975) 11, 12, 13, 14, 15
Fightin' Army (1957) 166, 167, 168, 169, 170
Fightin' Marines (1955) 170, 171, 172, 173, 174, 175
Fightin' Navy (1956) 127, 128, 129, 130, 131
Ghost Manor (1971) 70, 71, 72, 73, 74, 75
Ghostly Tales (1966) 163, 164, 165, 166, 167
Gunfighters (1966) 80, 81, 82, 83, 84, 85
Haunted (1971) 69, 70, 71, 72, 73, 74
Scary Tales (1975) 40, 41, 42, 43, 44
War (1975) 41, 42, 43, 44, 45

64 possible issues in total, across 12 titles of which I have confirmation of 47





Glad to hear it since I've removed most of them.
I'm questioning the existence of Fightin' Marines #170 since that would make 6 issues. I'm betting it was released in early September and missed the cut for the month.


I still have some unposted scans, so we'll see which ones are missing when I'm done. I think my biggest holes will be in the title Scary Tales.

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Re: Charlton Canadian Price Variants (13th Sep 19 at 4:21pm UTC)
 
Great work on this, gentlemen.


Thank you. You are welcome to contribute here by scouring the web for those Future Comics variants. Smiley

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Re: Charlton Canadian Price Variants (14th Sep 19 at 3:31am UTC)
I’ll figure something out. Lol
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Re: Charlton Canadian Price Variants (14th Sep 19 at 3:34am UTC)
 
I’ll figure something out. Lol


All is fine. Just kidding.

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Re: Charlton Canadian Price Variants (15th Sep 19 at 1:01pm UTC)
 
 
 
My guess is that he's working from memory.
Memories can be flawed.
Your dates make sense and it's consistent with what I've seen.

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I heard back from Doug - he has double checked his inventory and agrees that the date range for these is September 1983 to July 1984 {Cool}

So I make the new potential issue list as follows

Attack (1971) 42, 43, 44, 45, 46
Battlefield Action (1957) 83, 84, 85, 86, 87
Beyond the Grave (1975) 11, 12, 13, 14, 15
Fightin' Army (1957) 166, 167, 168, 169, 170
Fightin' Marines (1955) 170, 171, 172, 173, 174, 175
Fightin' Navy (1956) 127, 128, 129, 130, 131
Ghost Manor (1971) 70, 71, 72, 73, 74, 75
Ghostly Tales (1966) 163, 164, 165, 166, 167
Gunfighters (1966) 80, 81, 82, 83, 84, 85
Haunted (1971) 69, 70, 71, 72, 73, 74
Scary Tales (1975) 40, 41, 42, 43, 44
War (1975) 41, 42, 43, 44, 45

64 possible issues in total, across 12 titles of which I have confirmation of 47





Glad to hear it since I've removed most of them.
I'm questioning the existence of Fightin' Marines #170 since that would make 6 issues. I'm betting it was released in early September and missed the cut for the month.


I still have some unposted scans, so we'll see which ones are missing when I'm done. I think my biggest holes will be in the title Scary Tales.

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So far, no title has more than 5 CPV issues proven. I've seen a similar scenario in other research strands where titles which have a potential number of issues in a variant date range end up constrained by a total number of variants (e.g. the 1999/2000 Marvel Newsstand Variants that I have a thread for over at CGC). In this case, Fightin' Marines #170, Ghost Manor #70, Gunfighters #80 and Haunted #69 may all not have September issues as variants, therefore limiting all titles to 5 variants each.

I can see how that would have been intentional / by design - give me 5 Canadian priced issues for 12 titles please Mr Printer, for my market test to see if they take off.

If true, and no title has six, our target window falls to 60 issues. Good at maths, me {Cool}

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Re: Charlton Canadian Price Variants (16th Sep 19 at 2:17am UTC)
I thought I had a scan for Gunfighters #80 & #85... but I don't have #80. I'll keep looking for comics that don't exist. I've done it before.
My board has been crapping out a lot lately. I can't get updates posted here.

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Re: Charlton Canadian Price Variants (16th Sep 19 at 8:50am UTC)
 
I thought I had a scan for Gunfighters #80 & #85... but I don't have #80. I'll keep looking for comics that don't exist. I've done it before.
My board has been crapping out a lot lately. I can't get updates posted here.

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You're not alone Def. As a pence collector, I've been looking for comics that don't exist for about 20 years!

Shame about the site software. Can we not reverse the polarity of the neutron flow or something? I'd love to be able to post images direct here and fill in some blanks. I don't have a 3rd party image hosting account alas.

Keep battling away. A few of us appreciate it Smiley

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Re: Charlton Canadian Price Variants (16th Sep 19 at 9:11am UTC)
 
 
I thought I had a scan for Gunfighters #80 & #85... but I don't have #80. I'll keep looking for comics that don't exist. I've done it before.
My board has been crapping out a lot lately. I can't get updates posted here.

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You're not alone Def. As a pence collector, I've been looking for comics that don't exist for about 20 years!

Shame about the site software. Can we not reverse the polarity of the neutron flow or something? I'd love to be able to post images direct here and fill in some blanks. I don't have a 3rd party image hosting account alas.

Keep battling away. A few of us appreciate it Smiley



Thanks. Your method of dispensing info has been more reliable than mine.
I've reversed the polarity of the neutron flow at least a dozen times. I think the modulation valve is broken.

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Re: Charlton Canadian Price Variants (23rd Sep 19 at 3:00am UTC)
Added a missing scan for

Fightin' Marines #171
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Did a search for #170 again. I don't believe it exists. I'm seriously thinking about just removing it from the list.

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Re: Charlton Canadian Price Variants (24th Sep 19 at 1:03am UTC)
Here is what I have for Scary Tales. I need better images on the later ones and anything for #43.

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I'll get the checklist updated when I can.

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Re: Charlton Canadian Price Variants (4th Oct 19 at 9:48pm UTC)
On months where 6 issues might exist, I dropped those early spots off.
I keep getting distracted and working on other things. Rather, i should say FIXING other things.
Anyway, this is a visual representation of what my Canadian cover gallery looks like as of 10/4/2019.

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Re: Charlton Canadian Price Variants (4th Oct 19 at 9:54pm UTC)
It looks like Ghostly Tales is my biggest void of scans for now.
I usually attack my checklist from the top or from the bottom. I flip back and forth.
I try to get representations from each title and complete small galleries as soon as it's feasible.
Ghostly Tales is in the middle of the alphabet and it's not a short-lived series.
These voids make sense.

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Re: Charlton Canadian Price Variants (5th Oct 19 at 1:27am UTC)
Located a Canadian scan to Ghostly Tales #165
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I have an unusable image of #164.

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Re: Charlton Canadian Price Variants (5th Oct 19 at 11:17am UTC)
I do like that big image gallery Def - very pleasing to the eye {Smile}

I've added one of yours to my list, and I think my list has one or two you're missing.

What's wrong with the GT#164 image by the way? Does it clearly show the 75c? I'd love to see it. Let me know what images of mine you don't have and I'll post them over at CGC Towers:

https://www.cgccomics.com/boards/topic/455835-charlton-canadian-price-variants/?do=findComment&comment=10879524

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Re: Charlton Canadian Price Variants (5th Oct 19 at 1:11pm UTC)
 
I do like that big image gallery Def - very pleasing to the eye {Smile}

I've added one of yours to my list, and I think my list has one or two you're missing.

What's wrong with the GT#164 image by the way? Does it clearly show the 75c? I'd love to see it. Let me know what images of mine you don't have and I'll post them over at CGC Towers:

https://www.cgccomics.com/boards/topic/455835-charlton-canadian-price-variants/?do=findComment&comment=10879524

{Cool}


I don't see any scans that I'm missing there. I did drop off those mysterious missing 6th issues for that image gallery.

The cover is unusable for me because the picture was taken with the comic in a bag. Too much wavy glare for me to touch up.

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I did tinker with it to see if it would be usable. I got this far.

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Re: Charlton Canadian Price Variants (5th Oct 19 at 4:07pm UTC)
That's OK def! Clearly #164 isn't it. You're too fussy {Grin}

Check these two out:

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Re: Charlton Canadian Price Variants (5th Oct 19 at 8:52pm UTC)
It looks like I did have the Haunted #74 image, but yours is in slightly better condition than the one I'd saved. I was missing the Gunfighters image, but I'll need a better one for that issue. Thanks.

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Re: Charlton Canadian Price Variants (6th Oct 19 at 5:26am UTC)
Added:

Haunted #74 (Canadian)
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Here's where the title stands on the 6 possible Canadian price variants.
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Re: Charlton Canadian Price Variants (5th Nov 19 at 6:29pm UTC)
We're up to 54 confirmed over at Marwood Towers Def...

https://www.cgccomics.com/boards/topic/455835-charlton-canadian-price-variants/?do=findComment&comment=10920952

...along with a new rationale for a maximum of 60 issues, not 64

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