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The Jim Shooter Thread (22nd Sep 14 at 10:12pm UTC)
Jim Shooter


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Comic book writer. Editor in Chief at Marvel. Started several noteworthy comic book publishing companies. Wrote children's books. Did big-time advertising and PR. Did film, TV and animation development. Did toy development. Developed Broadway musicals. Created a float and a balloon for the Macy's parade. Learned from the best. Trained a lot of people you think are big shots.
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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (22nd Sep 14 at 10:16pm UTC)
I pulled the above biography from amazon.

http://www.amazon.com/Alpha-Omega-Story-Solar-Atom/dp/B000I6LQOK
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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (22nd Sep 14 at 11:19pm UTC)
I didn't know he created a float for the Macy's Parade. Probably for Marvel...
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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (23rd Sep 14 at 12:15am UTC)
That sounds like a biography I'd write. Before you post anything else in this thread, it is required that you read all of his blog posts. {Grin}

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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (23rd Sep 14 at 12:20am UTC)
That sounds overly time consuming. {Tongue Out}
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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (23rd Sep 14 at 12:46am UTC)
 
That sounds overly time consuming. {Tongue Out}


It's good reading and you'd know ALL about the float.

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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (23rd Sep 14 at 12:56am UTC)
 
 
That sounds overly time consuming. {Tongue Out}


It's good reading and you'd know ALL about the float.

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I DO need to check that out.

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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (16th Nov 14 at 5:03am UTC)
Hmmmm:

https://twitter.com/JayJayJacksonDH/status/532662464266387456?lang=en

Return of the main man himself?

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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (16th Nov 14 at 9:27am UTC)
Jim looks healthier in that picture than some I've seen in the past.

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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (16th Nov 14 at 5:03pm UTC)


Good find, VS! That would be awesome to see Shooter and Adams working together.

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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (16th Nov 14 at 5:08pm UTC)
I knew a Jim Shooter thread would come in handy on this board, btw. {Tongue Out}
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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (16th Nov 14 at 6:05pm UTC)
I would like to see them work together, but I don't want another reboot.

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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (16th Nov 14 at 6:29pm UTC)
Any thoughts on what specifically they might be working on regarding characters or titles?
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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (16th Nov 14 at 7:09pm UTC)
My guess is that they aren't working on characters or titles. JayJay hinted that a comic book collaboration was not on her thoughts.

She said: "Oh boy. That might be a REAL clash of the Titans! Lol" in response to Jim collaborating with Neal.
This echoes things she's said in the past.

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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (3rd Jan 15 at 6:39pm UTC)
Think JS working for Papercutz now?

https://twitter.com/JayJayJacksonDH/status/543632525932130305?lang=en

I see they have an imprint line called "Super Genius" and they have a reprint of the old Teckno Comics coming for the next FCBD:

http://papercutz.com/free-comic-book-day-titles-announced

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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (3rd Jan 15 at 9:06pm UTC)
Thanks for the heads up. Cool to see JayJay and Jim working for a publisher, and will be interesting to see what they've got going on.
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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (3rd Jan 15 at 9:30pm UTC)
Since the only "publisher" that Favorited the post is "BM (Biomedical) publisher", I think it's them.
I can't stand all that old Tekno comics crap. I really don't think Papercutz is a good fit for him.
Maybe Continuity is diverting corporate comic opportunities to Illustrated Media?

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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (4th Jan 15 at 1:04am UTC)
I thouight from the reference above that vikingspawn was implying that the "Super Genius" imprint thing was something Jim Shooter was involved in. I see no mention of Shooter, although it's possible that it's something that hasn't been announced yet:

http://supergeniuscomics.com/pages/about-us-v1/
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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (4th Jan 15 at 2:11am UTC)
BioMedicine Publishing sounds like they would pay better than the comic industry would:

http://www.bmpublisher.net/

That SuperGenius imprint has a bunch of Wrestling comics and now Tekno Comics. I never read a Tekno comic but was curious if they were any good.

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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (4th Jan 15 at 2:31am UTC)
A search of the Papercutz/Supergenius websites and blogs shows no reference of Jim's name. JayJay's only search result relates to the one title she did for them. No credits newer than 2013 for her. I'm sure a biomedical publisher would be able to pay Jim better than the comics industry.

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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (4th Jan 15 at 2:58am UTC)
I didn't see anything on the papercutz site either. Just that SuperGenius side imprint. Was trying to see what other publishing they had that wasn't connected to the Smurfs or Stardoll that might be superhero centric.

But it looks like it is that BioMedical company that's the publisher. The website doesn't exactly show any comic illustrations. Maybe it's stuff for Medical magazines or Medschool textbooks? I dunno..

#speculating

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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (4th Jan 15 at 3:06am UTC)
Both are capable editors. Unlike 90% of the comic "professionals" today, Jim and JayJay do have skills beyond making comics.

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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (10th May 15 at 3:17pm UTC)


Interesting. He seemed to be in good spirits.

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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (10th May 15 at 11:16pm UTC)

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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (11th May 15 at 1:14am UTC)
I disagree entirely that Free Comic Book Day (FCBD) is good for the industry. It attracts mainstream media attention, but after years of it's existence, sales are still quite unimpressive. If Starbucks had free coffee day, it'd attract a lot of people to their shops. It would not increase the amount of coffee people drink during the year.

Marketing should protect the perceived value of the product. The minute a consumer sees the industry give the product away, they think it must be very cheap to produce and they think the product is over-priced. It also does nothing to promote collectibility and collectors are the most loyal consumers that a publisher can attract.

The kids section is fine, but why are kids comics separate? Why are they juvenile? Why are they contents something that kids can and will outgrow? Spider-man and Superman were suitable for me at age 8. They comics didn't deal with homosexuality or bloody violence, but they still inspired a child's mind without being immature.

Promotion is fine, but this is a relatively shallow spotlight and doesn't have any "nuts and bolts" thought put into it.

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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (11th May 15 at 3:29am UTC)
I avoided stores on fcbd because I didn't want to deal with the obnoxious lines. FCBD draws a big turnout but it still doesn't convert new people into becoming weekly subscribers who will show up on Wednesday's new comics release day. My shop refused to order the fcbd books since he still has to pay for them from Diamond. What he did instead was put tables outside his store on saturday and gave away his most grossest used up comics for free, as a way to deal with the random people who kept walking to his store asking for free comic book day books.

Did you catch that part in the first video where Shooter mentioned some work in movie developement?

Wonder if it's maybe Dark Horse's movie side....

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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (11th May 15 at 11:05pm UTC)
I think your retailer made a smart move. Give away the stuff filling up the store. That's what I'd do.

I caught his comment about movie development. Without details, I see no reason to get excited. My first thought would not be Dark Horse. I'd think Mike Richardson already had some screenwriters with clout at his disposal.

I was kinda hoping someone at Dreamworks read my email. {Grin}

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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (12th May 15 at 3:19am UTC)
Did you get a reply or a "thanks for your interest/writing" email? I think the bigwigs mostly get their ideas from fans. I see that happen alot. But they won't acknowledge or say anything for fear of being sued.

I was looking at Dark horse's movie lineup and they're producing a live action Tarzan movie for next year with one of the Harry Potter directors:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarzan_(2016_film)

I thought I read somewhere that Mike Richardson was trying to get a Magnus Robot Fighter movie going. Now I can't remember where the link is.... Smiley

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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (12th May 15 at 3:27am UTC)
 
Did you get a reply or a "thanks for your interest/writing" email? I think the bigwigs mostly get their ideas from fans. I see that happen alot. But they won't acknowledge or say anything for fear of being sued.

I was looking at Dark horse's movie lineup and they're producing a live action Tarzan movie for next year with one of the Harry Potter directors:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarzan_(2016_film)

I thought I read somewhere that Mike Richardson was trying to get a Magnus Robot Fighter movie going. Now I can't remember where the link is.... Smiley

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I got nothing back at all. I have zero interest in a Tarzan movie. As a general rule, nothing Dark Horse does interests me at all.

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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (26th May 15 at 12:57am UTC)
Just as I was printed my tickets I saw this:

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2015/05/25/jim-shooter-mike-zeck-and-john-beatty-launch-secret-wars-30th-anniversary-tour/

I see he has 3 panels so far from Friday to Sunday. I had bought the 2 day tix for the weekend. Kind of excited to see this. If I can maybe i'll video if I get good seats. First time i'll be seeing these kind of panels than watching them on youtube for years. Smiley

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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (26th May 15 at 2:27am UTC)
Heroes Con sounds interesting, but I see that Jim won't be there for that. It's a good time to capitalize on this. I suspect it will be a success. Is JayJay tagging along?

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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (26th May 15 at 2:32pm UTC)
I don't see her name yet...but it would be cool if she went too...I see Neal Adams was just added too. New names are getting added each day looks like.

I didn't know the prices to get signatures from celebrities was so high. Especially the StarWars and voice actors. I had an idea brewing to take some of my obscure books to sign but it's $40-60 bux per signature and there's are tickets you have to buy on the site. I though one price would give me at least 3 signatures but it's one ticket per sig. My original idea to get sigs would have gone up to over a grand with what i wanted to take....so I think i'll skip the celeb lines. d'oh!

I kind of wanted the Doctor Who chick to sign a comic. Until I saw her prices. Smiley

The Shooter panels sound interesting. I was wondering if Marvel would have provided any promo materials for the "Secret Wars tour" like variants or anything. Or if Marvel is endorsing them with any interesting promos.


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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (27th May 15 at 3:51am UTC)
I assumed that Marvel had nothing to do with the tour. It doesn't sound like something they'd promote.

Celebrity signatures have gotten out of control. It used to be the signatures were free, and they'd sell you maybe a $10 still photograph if you didn't have anything for them to sign. I'm not going to pay for an autograph.
Dragon Con used to have the Film/TV celebrities mixed into the dealers room and then they started segregating them to a separate hotel and charging for photographs autographs.

It's just another reason for me to not attend a big convention.

I just looked at the celebrity guest list for the Miami show and was underwhelmed.

Looking through the comics guest list is more interesting.
I see this listed under Bill Jemas' biography.
"In December 2013, Jemas announced that he had joined Take-Two Interactive to start a graphic fiction imprint called Double Take Comics. The first titles from Double Take hit stores in September 2015."
Bill Jemas and Jim Shooter were side by side at Valiant for awhile. Hmmmm!

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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (27th May 15 at 5:44pm UTC)
Yea, the celebrity pricing list takes the fun out of getting autographs. I'm more interested in the artist alley of the convention. Smiley

Double Take:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/221551805/ultimate-night-of-the-living-dead

http://doubletakeuniverse.com/

http://doubletakeuniverse.com/gallery/news/

The video in the kickstarter page mentions "great stories" alot. Interesting....

I can't tell if they mean to have superhero comics or if it's just a "Night of the living dead" line of books.

The plot thickens.

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Yea, the celebrity pricing list takes the fun out of getting autographs. I'm more interested in the artist alley of the convention. Smiley

Double Take:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/221551805/ultimate-night-of-the-living-dead

http://doubletakeuniverse.com/

http://doubletakeuniverse.com/gallery/news/

The video in the kickstarter page mentions "great stories" alot. Interesting....

I can't tell if they mean to have superhero comics or if it's just a "Night of the living dead" line of books.

The plot thickens.

{Confused}


Here are the book credits...

Honor
Format: Monthly (print and digital)
Print price: $2.50
Release date: September 16
Story: Bill Jemas & Julian Rowe Script: Peter Aguero
Artist: Julian Rowe, Carlos Rodriguez
Protect. Serve. Beat. Burn.

Z-Men
Format: Monthly (print and digital)
Print price: $2.50
Release date: September 16
Story: Bill Jemas Script: Jeff McComsey
Artist: Kurt Tiede, Allison Rodrigues
Dead and/or alive. LBJ orders the Secret Service to bring him back a Zombie.

Rise
Format: Monthly (print and digital)
Print price: $2.50
Release date: September 16
Story: Bill Jemas, Michael Coast, Jeff McComsey Script: Michael Coast, Jeff McComsey
Artist: Kurt Tiede, Federica Manfredi
They’re coming to get you Barbara. An old story with a new end…and a new beginning.

Lab
Format: Monthly (print and digital)
Print price: $2.50
Release date: September 16
Story: Bill Jemas, Michael Coast, Julian Rowe Script: Brian Finkelstein
Artists: Julian Rowe, Joseph Cooper, Tanya & Richard Horie
Even a brain a-day won’t keep this Doctor away.

Spring
Format: Monthly (print and digital)
Print price: $2.50
Release date: September 16
Writer: Bill Jemas, Michael Coast, and Jessica Lee Williamson
Artists: Kurt Tiede, Alejandro Sicat
Hot sun, hot babes, and the cold decaying flesh of the zombie horde. It’s co-eds vs. the undead.

Home
Format: Monthly (print and digital)
Print price: $2.50
Release date: September 16
Writer: Bill Jemas, Julian Rowe, Peter Aguero
Artists: Julian Rowe, Monica Catalano, Fernando Melek
A happy family, a lovely spring evening, and Zombies.

Remote
Format: Monthly (print and digital)
Print price: $2.50
Release date: September 16
Writers: Michael Coast and Colin Mitchell
Artist: David Wilson
As ghouls surround her station, KBRF Radio ace DJ Samantha stays on the air all night. Will Rock & Roll save her soul?

Medic
Format: Monthly (print and digital)
Print price: $2.50
Release date: September 16
Story: Bill Jemas, Michael Coast, Julian Rowe Script: Brian Finkelstein
Artist: Julian Rowe, Marco Castiello
Doctors, and nurses, and zombies, oh my!

Dedication
Format: Monthly (print and digital)
Print price: $2.50
Release date: September 16
Writers: Michael Coast, Matthew Summo
Artist: JJ Dzialowski
Thanks to some hungry customers, the closing shift at George’s Market has turned into the graveyard shift.

Soul
Format: Monthly (print and digital)
Print price: $2.50
Release date: September 16
Writers: Michael Coast, Julian Rowe, Bill Jemas
Artists: Julian Rowe, Ricardo Sanchez, Tamara Bonvillain
The posse shoots to kill, but Ben survives. Too bad it’s all-downhill from here.

Online searches (which may be incorrect references for the purposes of this launch)

Julian Rowe... is a published author of children's books and young adult books. Some of the published credits of Julian Rowe include Using Energy, Make It Move (Active Science), Amazing Magnets (Active Science), and Feel and Touch (Active Science S.). - probably not an alias..

Peter Aguero .... He hosts SLAMs—weekly events where you can put your name in a hat to tell a story onstage—in New York; has won Moth GrandSLAMs; and leads storytelling workshops for MothSHOP, the organization’s outreach program. - probably not an alias

Jeff McComsey... (born December 11, 1981), is an American illustrator and author of graphic novels, animations, and video game art.
His most notable works include American Terror, a graphic novel series published through Alterna Comics, the self-published work FUBAR and the Ultimate Night of Living Dead, series Rise and Z-Men. - probably not an alias

Michael Coast... No real references or pictures of the guy online. Jemas says "Michael Coast is our story editor " in a piece published back in December of 2014. --- possibly an alias?!

Brian Finkelstein... is a comedic writer / performer whose one-person show, First Day Off In A Long Time, was selected for the HBO/US Comedy Arts Festival in Aspen. He’s a regular host of The Moth StorySLAMs in Los Angeles, teaches classes at the Uptight Citizen’s Brigade and most recently was an Emmy-nominated writer for The Ellen DeGeneres Show. [Second "MOTH" reference lends credibility to this being the person.] - probably not an alias

Jessica Lee Williamson...A writer, an artist, and a performer living in Los Angeles. She grew up in a small town on Maryland's Eastern Shore. After moving out west, she graduated from The Second City Conservatory. A storyteller and Moth GrandSlam winner who has performed in various storytelling shows across the country including The Moth Mainstage, Sit 'N' Spin, and BackFence PDX. [Third "MOTH" reference.] - highly unlikely it's an alias {Tongue Out}

Colin Mitchell... Appears to have written "Spider-Man Doctor Octopus Out of Reach" in 2004. Linked in has a listing..Editor-in-Chief, Bitter Lemons. Although primarily a writer in the entertainment industry, a critically-acclaimed, award and fellowship-winning playwright and screenwriter, has worked in a number of fields including, food service, telemarketing, sales, mental health, editing, market research, journalism, and publishing. - probably not an alias

Matthew Summo... Comic book writer & has a presence online. - probably not an alias

If Jim is working for these guys.... I see only one possibility.

It seems odd that Jemas would be side by side with Shooter at Valiant and then Jemas not enlist his talents for a start-up. A perceived creative threat? Pay scale out of range? Eh.. whatever.

I see this on thee kickstarter Q&A..
"We have three star writers doing two books each: Jeff McComsey (best know for his Zombie collections, Fubar, Mother Russia) is on Z-Men and Rise. Brian Finkelstein and Peter Aguero our Moth Grand Slam champs are also doing two each. Brian's on Slab and Medic, Peter's on Home and Honor. Double Take is fortunate to have three wonderfully talented creators working in the office, Michael Coast, our Story Editor, along with Julian Rowe and Kurt Tiede – our graphic artists. "


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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (27th May 15 at 10:20pm UTC)
Jemas & Shooter mentioned in the same Florida Supercon post on Facebook... Hmmm!

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Hi everyone! Been a busy crazy week. Sandy and I (Mike) are up in NYC taking meetings all week for FLORIDA SUPERCON. We had a really great meeting with Hulu yesterday, and just got out of a meeting with Bill Jemas and his new comic book company Double Take (a division of the video game company Take-Two Interactive). For those of you who don't know Bill, he was the Publisher of Marvel Comics in the early 2000's and created the Ultimate Universe. He is also the former President of Fleer Entertainment (the trading card company). It looks like we're going to be able to make some really big announcements regarding Bill, Double Take, and Florida Supercon soon!

We've got a lot more meetings planned, including a one on one with Jim Shooter to discuss his plans for Supercon, and a meeting with Marvel Comics. Plus, there's the MOCCA Arts Festival this weekend that we're going to hit.

It's exciting to be able to continue to grow the comic book section of the show, and to work with so many talented people who love the comic book industry.


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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (28th May 15 at 1:42am UTC)
hmmmm....good catch on the facebook post. (I still don't know how to use the facespaced site....grrr...someone else mentioned their group was easy to find on the site to me, but i find their search engine is maddening so I gave up.) I'm glad I don't understand facebook. i can't even surf it correctly. ugh. TeamPiedPiper all the way!. Smiley

Maybe I should check out Jemas' panels too. I hope getting saturday/sunday tix weren't a suckey choice for this. I'll check out the panels though. Maybe Shooter will get the cover on the program booklet with some surprise details. I see 3 panels with him so far. 2 of them I can make.

Looking at the Doubletake credits up there, I don't recognize any of them. I was looking through it for any old Broadway/Defiant credit names like Joe James or anybody linking them. Jemas is listed as writer on a bunch of those titles. Kickstarter/Crossgen type of universe? The $2.50 pricepoint for print sounds decent.

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hmmmm....good catch on the facebook post. (I still don't know how to use the facespaced site....grrr...someone else mentioned their group was easy to find on the site to me, but i find their search engine is maddening so I gave up.) I'm glad I don't understand facebook. i can't even surf it correctly. ugh. TeamPiedPiper all the way!. Smiley

Maybe I should check out Jemas' panels too. I hope getting saturday/sunday tix weren't a suckey choice for this. I'll check out the panels though. Maybe Shooter will get the cover on the program booklet with some surprise details. I see 3 panels with him so far. 2 of them I can make.

Looking at the Doubletake credits up there, I don't recognize any of them. I was looking through it for any old Broadway/Defiant credit names like Joe James or anybody linking them. Jemas is listed as writer on a bunch of those titles. Kickstarter/Crossgen type of universe? The $2.50 pricepoint for print sounds decent.

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It's looking like Jim isn't involved with Double Take, but I guess it is possible. Saturday is usually the busiest day. At Dragon Con, you can sit in registration all morning and lose half the day. Heroes Con registration is not as convoluted and time consuming.

Having a zombie universe at this point seems like a lame stab at a TV/Movie deal and a late one at that.

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The Zombie genre is such a downer. I still can't get into the amazing Walking Dead tv show. Every time I try to force myself to watch it, I get bored after 2 minutes. At least Sam Raimi's Evil Dead had some humor to it.

I can't see Shooter into that Zombie world for an entire comic imprint. Give me Nintendo comics any day over zombies instead. Those were fun.

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The Zombie genre is such a downer. I still can't get into the amazing Walking Dead tv show. Every time I try to force myself to watch it, I get bored after 2 minutes. At least Sam Raimi's Evil Dead had some humor to it.

I can't see Shooter into that Zombie world for an entire comic imprint. Give me Nintendo comics any day over zombies instead. Those were fun.

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Well, work is work and I think Jim over-sells his abilities. On his blog he stated that he could write in just about any style an employer wanted. Eventually, someone is going to call him on that and hire him for something lucrative that is outside the realm of what he'd pick on his own.

I'm not really a fan of dystopic works. Works which pull you into despair, misery, and human suffering are unlikely to ever inspire me. Life has enough of that. This is one reason horror in general doesn't appeal to me. On the flip side, someone doing a breakdown of a basic plot (possibly Jim) illuminated the fact that a plot typically has to have an obstacle to overcome. Of course that should have been glaringly obvious to me, but I was never into writing. I had never paid attention. I'm not entirely in agreement, but it'd be hard to find examples without calling it something other than a story. I think there could be an imaginary documentary that'd interesting.

Dystopian settings are like finger paint to a child. It doesn't take much imagination to overcome a problem when the whole setting is filled with problems. I think writing a plot set in a dystopian world is just lazy and unimaginative. Look at Waterworld. The planet's covered in water, so they are searching for land. Duh! That's a no-brainer. A zombie movie has attackers that are already dead and keep attacking. Duh! The obstacle is to survive. For lack of a better word, the basic plots are stupid. Fans of the Walking Dead say, "it's not about the zombies". That's fine and it's a huge compliment to Kirkman, but the overall plot is survival and that is caused by.... zombies. Zombies are the reason these people are penned up and dealing with one another.

You have me beat. I get bored watching the ads for Walking Dead. I have never tried to watch the show.
I'm not a Nintendo fan, but they are fun comics. It was cool seeing the digital characters brought to life with actual interests and concerns.

I can't see Jim being into a Zombie universe either. The whole venture has "FAIL" written all over it. It targets the Walking Dead audience as a demographic. You immediately lose the percentage of people who don't read. You lose all the people who aren't into zombies, but really like Kirkman's writing. You lose anyone that is too lazy to seek out an alternative distribution model. He comes out with 10 comics at once with each targeting the same audience. I can see the logic of compiling them like a novel to sell the sets for more, but the problem with that is that it puts the price point too high for people who are already buying comics and have their budget stretched to the breaking point. The only audience I see for this is his industry peers. A Night of the Living Dead movie fan has little or no connection to the inclusion of the word "ultimate" as an adjective to describe the universe. Why use the word? Whenever you compliment your own product with high praise, you immediately have to live up to that praise. You also have immediate skeptics which are poised to pick it apart. One lapse... the artist had distractions due to jock itch while drawing the pages.... and you've just made yourself out to be a liar. How ultimate can a line of comics be when all are "no-names"? Would you watch an "ultimate" comedy hour if it was booked with Fred Johnson, a cashier at Best Buy in Des Moines, Iowa? Their lists of credits mean nothing to me, so there is no incentive to buy the product.

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I liked the lighting and perspective on that video. The content is all stuff I'd read or heard before.

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I wanted to hear more of his post valiant work. Wonder if there's more video coming.

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I think people are more interested in what's next, not what's over. It looked like there was more.

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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (8th Jun 15 at 3:46am UTC)
It's like a waiting game or a long drought between seeing his next comics work. Now it's been 5 years since the Dark Horse run. I hope he has something brewing up his sleeves...or teaming up with someone reliable to publish with...

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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (8th Jun 15 at 3:54am UTC)
Five years already? Wow. I've been preoccupied with work and my private life. It's been like a blink.

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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (28th Jun 15 at 12:20am UTC)
Got to see Jim Shooter today at the con. He signed a ton of books for me and I shook his hand. Real nice and jovial. He was telling a bunch of old Marvel stories as he was signing tons of books. I sat for the Secret Wars panel and he was the main talker with John Beaty and Mike Zeck. There's another panel tomorrow with him and Jemas tomorrow. I saw his booth...basically had posters and a couple zombie models. Kind of tired and want to skip tomorrow but i'll try to go. Nichelle Nichols was there, seemed to bounce back from her stroke a few weeks ago and looked fine. Chewbacca was there. 60 dollars a sig.

Hayley Atwell looked hawt.

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I was just thinking that I need to remove the banner above my board. I didn't really realize the show was this weekend until today. Is this your first time meeting him? I've never met him.
It dawned upon me after reading your post that I really wouldn't want to hear old war stories about creating Secret Wars. I've been through so much this past decade that I simply don't care. It was the precursor to me dropping comics the first time. It's not "the good ol' days" in my collecting history. I don't blame secret wars for me dropping comics, but it was clear that the enthusiasm ended around that time. Hayley Atwell was the hottest guest they had? {Unsure} She doesn't catch my eye. I guess it's the square face.
No way in hell I'd pay $60 for anyone's signature. Especially, if they were alive standing in front to of me. I might offer to sell them mine for the same price and do a swap. {Grin}
Crap! Even if I was famous, my signature will never be worth anything. I sign paperwork a hundred times a day.
Signatures that fetch the highest values are the ones where the person is stingy and refuses to sign for people. I used to have people ask for my signature when my comic was published.

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I hadn't told him about the boards...but I'll try! lol....think he knows about this forum? it wasn't easy getting a question in with the crowd he had and people interupting him....the internet talk i heard him say was to read his blog for more stories. He was cool though. He kept the lines moving and as some would have a couple books and some would have a big pile. I would sneak in a question as he was signing my stack when i could....he had a portfolio case with old pics with him and Stan Lee and more on his table and had stories for each of them. I saw a Cheesasaurus Rex comic in there. And one of the pics of him holding a Lorca Statue with a Defiant award. And a Pope 2 birthday cake he had based on the cover art from the old comic. People actually took luggage with their comics inside to get sign. I was feeling bad with the amount of books i took to sign because it was an obnoxious amount. But he signed them. Smiley

Jose Delbo was across from him so i got his signature on Gimmax #0. He turned to his his wife and said, "This is the book i told you about that i don't have." He asked me if i could give him one since he saw I took a few. I asked if he still had the original art and he said he does.

Neal Adams was there and i took a Legion Of Superheroes variant for him and Shooter to sign. He was asking for $30 for one signature so I did a uturn on that one. I wanted him to sign my Rocketeer 3D issue and some others but it would have been $180 so I thought to myself.....nevermind. Shoooter does not charge at all....one guy flashed him a visa card ( Smiley) for a signature and he said "What? i'm going to charge you for my signature?" There was a guy there who said that Neal had made him a sign that said "$10 per signature" as a gag but he took it down. It was cool seeing his reaction on the books he signed. I might go today for that last panel. I think the parking will be easier since it's sunday which is helping to nudge me to go.
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I've heard countless stories of people saying they've mentioned me to creators. I'm sure that not all of it is positive. The stories come from people who don't really know me in person, so I try to imagine how much the truth must be altered from reality.

You could ask him about Defiant toy prototypes [Plasm Goo). Broadway Toy prototypes (Knights on Broadway) etc.

I have most of the original art for Grimmax #0. It went to the inker Dave Cockrum and I bought it from his widow.

Now you can imagine why a sketch of my girlfriend by Neal Adams means something to me. {Unsure}
I actually got a reduced rate on it. Honestly though, Neal gets a lot of insults for his practice of charging for signatures and his overall high rates. He has to charge that much to run off people who just want to profit off of his signature. I think Neal thought I was going to sell the sketch he did for me. No way in hell!

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Well that was fun. Just got back. Second panel was lot more entertaining than the Secret Wars panel. I recorded both on audio since i didn't want to hold a video in my shaking hand for an hour. Today it was Jemas and Shooter talking up their history and I noticed 2 vei guys (dinnish and a bald guy ) sat in the audience. Best part of the panel: at the end....Shooter said he had to catch a plane at the airport, ending his part of the panel and leaving Jemas on the stage who wanted to stay talking some more. So he gets up and is met with a cute blond assistant escorting him out with his luggage by the stage steps. The 2 vei guys got up too....probably trying to approach and say hi as Shooter made his exit. Jim went out one exit and probably took the next door exit while avoiding the 2 vei guys. Let me see.....escorted out by a blonde miami beach hottie or rekindle with 2 guys who sued me....I'm goin' with the hottie. It looked pretty funny how he ignored them. Jim don't forget! love don't live here no more!

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He was walking with a cane which was depressing for me to see. He's such a cool guy. It was fun to finally see the man himself in person and get him to sign my books.

I took some pics and was able to ask him stuff but the last panel had that funny ending. {Grin}
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Nice summary. What good could come from Jim meeting with VEI? Trust is earned and once it's betrayed, why would you waste time giving them a second shot? Even if you forgive them, that doesn't mean you are obligated to stand in front of the bulls-eye and say "You missed the first time. I trust you not to aim again."

I guess creators are expected to kiss their ass since they supposedly have all this money rolling in from China. Eh! I haven't thought about VEI in a awhile. I think life is nicer just forgetting they exist.

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It was weird seeing them sit there and the audience was only about 19-25 people in the giant hall room. Like a "Notebook" reunion scene was supposed to happen when they showed up. Why weren't they back at their booth selling their trades and taking selfies with other guys? And their booth was right behind Shooter's table booth! What a coincidence! {Rolleyes}

But Shooter handled himself well on stage. As he gave his long industry resume....he didn't even acknowledge vei at all. That was cool. He had a lot of signing sessions over passed 2 days so I tried to get in as much as I could. I got him to sign the 20 Dark Horse books from the goldkey run (A Dark-Key.com book of the month value of over 500 dollars!) (where's that aol sheep gif?) {Grin} I took the food groups of custom books and that got a good reaction in the line. There was a Cheese Rex 2 comic and when he got to it he said " I don't have this! And I wrote it!" That was a fun reaction. He was trying to remember who drew it...I said the food books didn't have any credits inside and he said the custom books never did. I tried to get in as many questions as I could think of while CGC people weren't interrupting him which they did the whole time there. CGC has to have witnesses present as creators sign things now? It was every 2 minutes there.

I asked if he could get the Defiant characters back and finish schism and he said they belonged to the investors. Asked about Daring Comics and he said he did work on that with Joe James but nothing came out. Asked about any future work with Dark Horse he said eventually..didn't sound like anything soon. Asked about anything in the works we might see in the future and he said more custom work, something custom with a phone company....something else he couldn't talk about because of non disclosures. I'm forgetting what else. A little tired from the convention. Oh yea, He signed my Fatale trade paperback and mentioned JG Jones wasn't doing well. Sounded like maybe it was healthwise. I haven't read news on him.But each book he signed sparked a new story and memory for him that he would tell outloud to the people waiting in line for him. I think he should really host his own comic book podcast show just talking to other creators in the industry. He is so entertaining and full of stories about anything comic books.

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That all sounds pretty cool. It's tough to look at things objectively when you are wearing your own shoes and looking outward from the inside. It takes a lot of skill to be able to step out of your shoes and look from the outside. Perspective has everything to do with objectivity. Also, you can have great ideas. If you can't monetize them, those ideas are just wishful thinking.

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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (1st Jul 15 at 2:25am UTC)
I'll try to post more as I remember. Here're some pics from Saturday:

Here's my view of the line to get autographs....line was about 10 people at a time....not long but kept refilling as people left:

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On his table he had a portfolio case with pics and papers and asked people to go through as he had stories for each of them. It was like an Indiana Jones stash of rare artifacts:

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Here he's holding an old western union telegraph paper he and Stan Lee would send to each other back in the day before cell phones existed. He read it out loud and it was this back and forth rhyming poem messages he and Stan would send to each other for birthday wishes. I can't remember it all but it was pretty funny and witty:

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You can see Cheese Rex inside the pile with a bunch of pics. There's a dracula stake looking cross made of cardboard named "squid" on it but I don't remember what it was about:

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Secret Wars Stage panel with John Beaty, Shooter and Mike Zeck:

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Projection pic of the Secret Wars books while they were talking:

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I have audio of this panel but I haven't figured how to load it yet. Still playing catch up on things here..

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He looks to be doing well. Cool pictures. He should take better care of that stuff in case he needs to sell it one day.

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I have audio of this panel but I haven't figured how to load it yet. Still playing catch up on things here..

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He looks to be doing well. Cool pictures. He should take better care of that stuff in case he needs to sell it one day.

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They seemed pretty well taken care of with how old they were. When he would sign books, he would handle them like a surgeon. Some CGC guys had this way of getting his signature on a certain place of a cover by cutting out a square out of the plastic of a bagged comic with an arrow pointing to it. They were there all the time just standing around to the side and Shooter would split his signing to give everyone a chance.

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I have audio of this panel but I haven't figured how to load it yet. Still playing catch up on things here..

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You could drop the audio and pictures into Windows Movie Maker and make a video. You can upload that to Youtube. Smiley



I have the audio on my phone and wondering how to transfer. 50 minutes each panel. I'll try emailing to myself and load somewhere to post here.

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He looks to be doing well. Cool pictures. He should take better care of that stuff in case he needs to sell it one day.

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They seemed pretty well taken care of with how old they were. When he would sign books, he would handle them like a surgeon. Some CGC guys had this way of getting his signature on a certain place of a cover by cutting out a square out of the plastic of a bagged comic with an arrow pointing to it. They were there all the time just standing around to the side and Shooter would split his signing to give everyone a chance.




I'd refuse to sign comics if there was a CGC witness around. Either that or charge an extra $100 if it was for a signature series.
I was wondering how they stopped a creator from screwing up a book. Good to know. What kind of ass kissing goes on to get an arrangement like that? It's probably some 69 position ass kissing between the show promoter & the CGC.

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I have audio of this panel but I haven't figured how to load it yet. Still playing catch up on things here..

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I have the audio on my phone and wondering how to transfer. 50 minutes each panel. I'll try emailing to myself and load somewhere to post here.



No Bluetooth? Just asking. I have an old flip phone that I refill with minutes as I go. I detest phones. My girlfriend bought my phone for me one Valentine's day so she could reach me. I call it my Bat Phone, because I don't share the number with anyone else. If I recall correctly, it stores all the audio in AMR format, so I downloaded a player online. It's a pain in the butt transferring audio, but Bluetooth is the only way to do it. I had a couple of "Flesh Gordon" movie sound bytes I wanted to play when I receive a text. Mission was accomplished, but it was a PITA (PAIN IN THE A$$).

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He looks to be doing well. Cool pictures. He should take better care of that stuff in case he needs to sell it one day.

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They seemed pretty well taken care of with how old they were. When he would sign books, he would handle them like a surgeon. Some CGC guys had this way of getting his signature on a certain place of a cover by cutting out a square out of the plastic of a bagged comic with an arrow pointing to it. They were there all the time just standing around to the side and Shooter would split his signing to give everyone a chance.




I'd refuse to sign comics if there was a CGC witness around. Either that or charge an extra $100 if it was for a signature series.
I was wondering how they stopped a creator from screwing up a book. Good to know. What kind of ass kissing goes on to get an arrangement like that? It's probably some 69 position ass kissing between the show promoter & the CGC.

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Now I understand Neal Adam's prices when I asked how much for an autograph and one said 30 per signature and 45 if it's for CGC. When I would look at Neal's booth while waiting in line, he looked pretty content the whole time drawing at his table with no CGC guys bothering him or hovering over his shoulder. The CGC guys had this sourpuss look to them and where there the entire time leering over Shooter. At first I thought they were working for him until I noticed the comics with the cut out sections on each bag. And Shooter looked like he was extra careful while signing inside each box perfectly. Like he was carefully piloting a drone by remote from far away. Shooter was way too nice to them while accommodating everyone. I felt bad bringing in so many books to sign myself but those cgc witnesses have no shame if they really don't pay creators for loitering around them all day.
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I have the audio on my phone and wondering how to transfer. 50 minutes each panel. I'll try emailing to myself and load somewhere to post here.



No Bluetooth? Just asking. I have an old flip phone that I refill with minutes as I go. I detest phones. My girlfriend bought my phone for me one Valentine's day so she could reach me. I call it my Bat Phone, because I don't share the number with anyone else. If I recall correctly, it stores all the audio in AMR format, so I downloaded a player online. It's a pain in the butt transferring audio, but Bluetooth is the only way to do it. I had a couple of "Flesh Gordon" movie sound bytes I wanted to play when I receive a text. Mission was accomplished, but it was a PITA (PAIN IN THE A$$).

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No bluetooth used. This is awesome timing but last night my phone fell from my bed and landed dead in the center of the front phone. Bang! Shattered glass. Even with a case. First time in 5 years this happened. Cool! I have to go to the store to get the glass replaced. I hope it's quick.

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I admire Neal's point of view as a businessman. He's seen to many people take advantage of his goodwill and sell the free autographs he gave them. Jim seems to stretch too far to accommodate the people who are going to criticize him whether he's nice or not.

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I have the audio on my phone and wondering how to transfer. 50 minutes each panel. I'll try emailing to myself and load somewhere to post here.



No Bluetooth? Just asking. I have an old flip phone that I refill with minutes as I go. I detest phones. My girlfriend bought my phone for me one Valentine's day so she could reach me. I call it my Bat Phone, because I don't share the number with anyone else. If I recall correctly, it stores all the audio in AMR format, so I downloaded a player online. It's a pain in the butt transferring audio, but Bluetooth is the only way to do it. I had a couple of "Flesh Gordon" movie sound bytes I wanted to play when I receive a text. Mission was accomplished, but it was a PITA (PAIN IN THE A$$).

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How about some books pics? Smiley

I took the most important books in Valiant history ever:

These got a fun reaction from Shooter and he made everybody in line laugh...

He also said Cheesefinger was inspired by James Bond's Goldfinger...



Took some Marios for Shooter to sign. I almost got Charles Martinet (voice of Mario/Luigi/Wario/Waluigi) signature on these but I instead went for a special personalized voice message for my niece by Mario & Luigi.

The special Superman Chicago Comicon cover he drew for this program & Galactica:

He said he drew John Byrne as one of the figures from a New york picture he took:

Fatale trade paperback....he mentioned JG Jones when he saw this:

Jose Delbo & Shooter on Grimmax #0:

Some Defiant stuff and Plasm #0:

He said "Witherby!" when he saw the middle print and said he was great:

Dogs of War signed by Shooter with Georges Jeanty autographs from the previous convention:


Charlemange #1:


David Letterman Avengers & Secret Wars #1:

Spiderman Annual...he mentioned JayJay worked on this too...


Took this Solar HC:


Legion and the Adams variant....When Shooter saw this he said said the only way Neal would agree to draw this Legion variant was if he (Shooter) sketched it for him. And he did...


DarkHorse Covers!

Mighty Samson he said was more JC Vaughn's and that he really did alot of work on it:


He talked about Raymond Swanland on these....his Turok #1 cover he looked over it for awhile while talking....

He also said good things about Mickael Komarck on the Solar covers....he had to look inside the credits to remember his name exactly.....he said he would send him pictures as reference on the missile cover...I asked him about the multi armed villain on one of the covers and he talked a little about it being a Hindi god and other stuff...

Frank Quietly accidentaly signed this Solar variant and wrote an "Oops!" underneath his name when I pointed it out.

I think this was his way of saying hi to Shooter:


I got a couple quirky comics signed for you, Defiant1....when I catch up, i'll package it...I might need your address again...

I still gotta figure out how to load audio here...

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Some cool stuff even without signatures.

I am unworthy!

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May I ask where you got a Splatterball comic without the foil stamp? Pretty damn rare.

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Some cool stuff even without signatures.

I am unworthy!

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haha....i'm not saying! Smiley

ok....it's actually a selfie pic signed by the vei guys....

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May I ask where you got a Splatterball comic without the foil stamp? Pretty damn rare.

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I found it a long time ago on ebay...I think the seller was from canada or new york...

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Some cool stuff even without signatures.

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Why do I picture a Charlemagne #4 being signed? Image

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haha....i'm not saying! Smiley

ok....it's actually a selfie pic signed by the vei guys....

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Did you say VEI? Smiley

Smiley I'll have to find the perfect spot on the wall to hang it!

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May I ask where you got a Splatterball comic without the foil stamp? Pretty damn rare.

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I found it a long time ago on ebay...I think the seller was from canada or new york...

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Good find!

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May I ask where you got a Splatterball comic without the foil stamp? Pretty damn rare.

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I found it a long time ago on ebay...I think the seller was from canada or new york...

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Good find!

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Do you have one?



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Some cool stuff even without signatures.

I am unworthy!

Why do I picture a Charlemagne #4 being signed? Image

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haha....i'm not saying! Smiley

ok....it's actually a selfie pic signed by the vei guys....

{Grin} Smiley


Did you say VEI? Smiley

Smiley I'll have to find the perfect spot on the wall to hang it!

Wait. You did say VEI... right? Smiley Smiley

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There was alot of guy on guy selfie photos taken at the con. I know it's more of a girl thing to post selfies of themselves on their insta-twitters, but when I see guys get into the self taking photos....it's so douchey...

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I found it a long time ago on ebay...I think the seller was from canada or new york...

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Good find!

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Do you have one?





Nope. I only knew of one floating around amongst collectors.

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haha....i'm not saying! Smiley

ok....it's actually a selfie pic signed by the vei guys....

{Grin} Smiley


Did you say VEI? Smiley

Smiley I'll have to find the perfect spot on the wall to hang it!

Wait. You did say VEI... right? Smiley Smiley

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There was alot of guy on guy selfie photos taken at the con. I know it's more of a girl thing to post selfies of themselves on their insta-twitters, but when I see guys get into the self taking photos....it's so douchey...

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I've taken pictures of myself, but I would never post them online or do it in public. It seems a little vain when women do it.

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How about some books pics? Smiley

I took the most important books in Valiant history ever:

These got a fun reaction from Shooter and he made everybody in line laugh...



That's some cool stuff!
Jim didn't frown when you laid all those books out to sign?
That's a lot.


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How about some books pics? Smiley

I took the most important books in Valiant history ever:

These got a fun reaction from Shooter and he made everybody in line laugh...



That's some cool stuff!
Jim didn't frown when you laid all those books out to sign?
That's a lot.



Not even. And he must have signed over 10 thousand books and prints. Even with the CGC people on the side. I actually split my stacks in 4 signing sessions so I got in line more times with a managable stack during the weekend. Some people took more than I did in their luggage. Mostly early Marvels and valiants...I noticed he would sign vei comics too when people put them in front of him. Maybe he signs them because he's the character creator.

I took the more obscure stuff which is what I wanted signed the most. The rare obscure books were the ones that sparked a good reaction and conversation. I stacked them them in a fun way on purpose as he signed each one and see the next. The plasms, comicon programs, food groups of comics and then the nintendos. When he got down to the nintendos he said: "Mario comics?!" What are you doing to me?!" The crowd laughed. He would say he wasn't much into the game and wouldn't get far without being hit and nintendo would give him passwords so his mario character wouldn't die in the game. Smiley

He remembered each print run of the KFC, Macaroni books as he signed them and held them up to the crowd. This one sold 2 million! And the print runs of the Marvel pope 2 comics. I'd remember too since they sold in the millions.

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Do you have one?





Nope. I only knew of one floating around amongst collectors.

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I don't know the back story of the no seal Splaterballs and forgot to ask. I took the Plasm #0 stand alone and he looked at the side and said "Where did you get these??" Not alot were printed. Not in the print run of the 1000s, I don't remember but it wasn't alot copies."

I asked if there was ever a comic version printed of Dark Dominion 0 like plasm 0 and he said he didn't know.

I even took the Birth of Defiant universe comic. He said that was already signed but the reason I took it was to ask about the "Truth & Beauty" & "Mongrel" titles mentioned in the blurb on one of the back pages. That was my shining moment to interrupt the signing momentum in order to ask the nerdiest question out of the whole line! Smiley

I asked if "Truth & Beauty" was an early version of Fatale for broadway and he said no....it was to be a husband and wife team and said more stuff about it that I have now forgotten. {Embarassed} He also talked a little more about Mongrel and Grimmax as well. Grimmax was going to be a sort of courier and said a bunch of bio-mechanical stuff about Mongrel.

I also took a Spanish Prudence #1 and I pointed out it was all in spanish. And he said he never knew about it and looked through it. If you look inside the credits of that Prudence #1 spanish version, they even translated the creator names into spanish nouns instead of leaving their actual names alone.

"Jim Shooter" as an editor credit was turned into "Jamie Tirador" Smiley {Shocked}

Everybody's name credit in there is turned upsidedown..... Smiley

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How about some books pics? Smiley

I took the most important books in Valiant history ever:

These got a fun reaction from Shooter and he made everybody in line laugh...



That's some cool stuff!
Jim didn't frown when you laid all those books out to sign?
That's a lot.



Not even. And he must have signed over 10 thousand books and prints. Even with the CGC people on the side. I actually split my stacks in 4 signing sessions so I got in line more times with a managable stack during the weekend. Some people took more than I did in their luggage. Mostly early Marvels and valiants...I noticed he would sign vei comics too when people put them in front of him. Maybe he signs them because he's the character creator.

I took the more obscure stuff which is what I wanted signed the most. The rare obscure books were the ones that sparked a good reaction and conversation. I stacked them them in a fun way on purpose as he signed each one and see the next. The plasms, comicon programs, food groups of comics and then the nintendos. When he got down to the nintendos he said: "Mario comics?!" What are you doing to me?!" The crowd laughed. He would say he wasn't much into the game and wouldn't get far without being hit and nintendo would give him passwords so his mario character wouldn't die in the game. Smiley

He remembered each print run of the KFC, Macaroni books as he signed them and held them up to the crowd. This one sold 2 million! And the print runs of the Marvel pope 2 comics. I'd remember too since they sold in the millions.

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As far as collecting goes, I like seeing the oddball stuff too! I don't necessarily want to own it in all cases, but show me a KFC comic alongside a Magnus #1 and I'll comment on how cool the KFC comic is. You should have asked him about Seven #2.

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Nope. I only knew of one floating around amongst collectors.

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I don't know the back story of the no seal Splaterballs and forgot to ask. I took the Plasm #0 stand alone and he looked at the side and said "Where did you get these??" Not alot were printed. Not in the print run of the 1000s, I don't remember but it wasn't alot copies."

I asked if there was ever a comic version printed of Dark Dominion 0 like plasm 0 and he said he didn't know.

I even took the Birth of Defiant universe comic. He said that was already signed but the reason I took it was to ask about the "Truth & Beauty" & "Mongrel" titles mentioned in the blurb on one of the back pages. That was my shining moment to interrupt the signing momentum in order to ask the nerdiest question out of the whole line! Smiley

I asked if "Truth & Beauty" was an early version of Fatale for broadway and he said no....it was to be a husband and wife team and said more stuff about it that I have now forgotten. {Embarassed} He also talked a little more about Mongrel and Grimmax as well. Grimmax was going to be a sort of courier and said a bunch of bio-mechanical stuff about Mongrel.

I also took a Spanish Prudence #1 and I pointed out it was all in spanish. And he said he never knew about it and looked through it. If you look inside the credits of that Prudence #1 spanish version, they even translated the creator names into spanish nouns instead of leaving their actual names alone.

"Jim Shooter" as an editor credit was turned into "Jamie Tirador" Smiley {Shocked}

Everybody's name credit in there is turned upsidedown..... Smiley





Nice info. I never noticed the credits on the Spanish P&C. I wonder if #2 was the same way?
There was no comic version of Dark Dominion #0. Steve Ditko was so upset that they were going to have Joe James redraw it so the story could be printed as a comic. I think a redrawn version was slated to be a stand-alone comic and I think it was going to be included in a TPB. Not sure the details on that, but I know Joe James was to redraw it.

Duh... I have the solicitations!


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DARK DOMINION #0
SPECIAL EDITION TRADE PAPERBACK
by Jim Shooter & Joe James
The riveting story of how Michael Alexander became the Glimmer of hope in the Dark Dominion! This special edition trade paperback features the story of Dark Dominion #0 with all-new artwork by Joe James, plus Jim Shooter's complete original script for the story, and never-before-seen conceptual artwork and sketches. Limited to 10,000 copies.
SC, 64pg, FC .................................... $19.95


DEFIANT ANNIVERSARY TRADE PAPERBACK
by Shooter, Lapham, Pollina, Mayerik, Cockrum, & others
This special trade paperback celebrates one full year of action and adventure with Defiance! It reprints Dark Dominion #0, Plasm #0, Charlemagne #0 - plus zero issues of Glory and The Great Grimmax , published herein for the first time ever! To tie it all together, this perfect bound trade also reprints The Origin of the Defiant Universe .
SC, 96pg, FC ...................................... $4.95


It's possible that some unpublished art exists for Dark Dominion #0 drawn by Joe James. I don't think Joe James sells his original art. Joe James had dibs on the color art covers for Dark dominion #1-3 that JayJay colored.

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As far as collecting goes, I like seeing the oddball stuff too! I don't necessarily want to own it in all cases, but show me a KFC comic alongside a Magnus #1 and I'll comment on how cool the KFC comic is. You should have asked him about Seven #2.

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That was the one question I couldn't get in. The Kabballah purple cover comic...ugh! {Unsure} And I was thinking about it too... *sigh*

Yea, put any of the food comics next to any vei comic and ask yourself, which one would you seriously want to read?

No contest. I'm goin with the custom comics....

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Nice info. I never noticed the credits on the Spanish P&C. I wonder if #2 was the same way?
There was no comic version of Dark Dominion #0. Steve Ditko was so upset that they were going to have Joe James redraw it so the story could be printed as a comic. I think a redrawn version was slated to be a stand-alone comic and I think it was going to be included in a TPB. Not sure the details on that, but I know Joe James was to redraw it.

Duh... I have the solicitations!


Quote:

DARK DOMINION #0
SPECIAL EDITION TRADE PAPERBACK
by Jim Shooter & Joe James
The riveting story of how Michael Alexander became the Glimmer of hope in the Dark Dominion! This special edition trade paperback features the story of Dark Dominion #0 with all-new artwork by Joe James, plus Jim Shooter's complete original script for the story, and never-before-seen conceptual artwork and sketches. Limited to 10,000 copies.
SC, 64pg, FC .................................... $19.95


DEFIANT ANNIVERSARY TRADE PAPERBACK
by Shooter, Lapham, Pollina, Mayerik, Cockrum, & others
This special trade paperback celebrates one full year of action and adventure with Defiance! It reprints Dark Dominion #0, Plasm #0, Charlemagne #0 - plus zero issues of Glory and The Great Grimmax , published herein for the first time ever! To tie it all together, this perfect bound trade also reprints The Origin of the Defiant Universe .
SC, 96pg, FC ...................................... $4.95


It's possible that some unpublished art exists for Dark Dominion #0 drawn by Joe James. I don't think Joe James sells his original art. Joe James had dibs on the color art covers for Dark dominion #1-3 that JayJay colored.

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Even the solicits are cool. $4.95 for all the zero issues in an anniversary edition paperback.

Dark Dominion #0 limited to 10,000 copies. I wonder what the Fatale TPB had.

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Yeah, but my guess is that retailer were reluctant to order premium priced packages like that back then. Reprinted material was still frowned upon and the Home for the Holidays GN was a dud as far as sales went. Retailers got stuck with that which was also a premium priced product. Low orders probably led to cancellations and shutting down the company.

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okay!

I tried listening to this in the background at work while I was measuring some small parts with calipers. The video stopped and would randomly play for a few seconds then stop again for long periods. Basically, all I heard at work was the awkward beginning. Bill and Jim were definitely and awkward pairing at first, but it loosened up.

Bill seems to have a lot of experience and knowledge. I'll give Jim the upper hand on knowing how to make comics. Bill Jemas implemented most of the practices at Marvel that I detested. That includes story arcs among some other things he listed. Marvel was doing so poorly, that any organized and logical strategy was an improvement. Overall though, he moved on and the industry kept doing everything I didn't like about comics in that period. He was in charge when I quit buying Marvel Comics and the quality was very poor. Jim & Bill sorta loosened up towards the end and were more on the same page. It was clear from this presentation that they have not stayed in communication after having been retained by VEI. I thought it was respectable that Bill did not hard sell his new comics line. He could have done a big sales pitch, but he kept in minimal. Overall, it was interesting, but more as a novelty.

I wish Jim talked with more confidence about the failures. It doesn't matter if you start 3 companies and they all fail. All you have to do is start one that doesn't. He's learned from every experience he's had. He needs to get over the pity party and making excuses. Beating yourself up over a mistake is a waste of effort. Beating yourself up because the right thing to do left you with a bad situation is also a waste of effort. We all make the best decisions we can with the information we have. Hindsight being 20/20 is crap! It's an excuse to say that you knew more or should've known more than you did. The fact is, he didn't and humans aren't omniscient.

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The sound of the video didn't work on my phone either....no audio...must be something to do with the safari browser of apple. Had to watch on a desktop.

Here's a blurry pic of what was up on the projection screen while they were talking about their resumes in the beginning of the panel:

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This was the next pic of a chart while they kept on talking about comic prices and storytelling. One side for "Growth" and the other "Decline"....I think this is Jemas' version of a SWOT board for his new comic line:

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The video cut off the ending when Shooter got up when he had to catch his plane early with Jemas still talking on stage.

I liked the part where he talks about the "dutch tilt" in movies. Kind of like how the shakey camera trend since "Blair Witch" has been used ever since in action movies.

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I don't agree with story arcs. Never will. Not the way they are done. It's possible to combine arcs and the soap opera style of telling a story. My life is a soap opera, but my work week is a story arc. Do both! Each comic should tell a story. An arc can tell a bigger story. The soap opera is the thread that ties it all together and keeps you hooked. Jim's blog goes into detail about panel composition. It's very good. The shaky camera trend was just a new video effect that Hollywood was hooked on. The continuity staff doesn't have to pay attention to minor details while filming. You don't see whether a lamp moved an inch or not. Blair Witch may have had a shaky camera, but the shakiness we saw later was mostly digital effect. Hollywood always gobbles up any new technology and runs it into the ground.

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This Q&A is not really something that'd interest me enough to sit through at a convention. It looked like everyone just showed up and had no outline for what they were going to talk about. At the very least, they should have reread the story. They were at a convention with modern fans, it would have been nice if they could say they'd read the new stories. If they'd created an outline and mapped out the time better, they could have allocated more discussion time with the inker. I can't imagine how boring it would've been without Jim there. Again though, most of what Jim said is stuff I've heard before. Jim goes back to the same highlights reel which is understandable. I'm more interested in the next splash he's going to make (if any).

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I was thinking about how many times they repeated the same old war stories stories for the other Secret Wars tour stops. Been meaning to get all the old issues together to finally read it. My shop was selling Secret Wars #8 for $80. Smiley The newer box set with the other tie in stories looks good.

There was another JS Q&A before this one that I couldn't go to. Hopefully it was filmed by the convention folks. I've seen them upload the other Q&A panels so maybe one more with JS is left.

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I was thinking about how many times they repeated the same old war stories stories for the other Secret Wars tour stops. Been meaning to get all the old issues together to finally read it. My shop was selling Secret Wars #8 for $80. Smiley The newer box set with the other tie in stories looks good.

There was another JS Q&A before this one that I couldn't go to. Hopefully it was filmed by the convention folks. I've seen them upload the other Q&A panels so maybe one more with JS is left.

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I would get tired of repeating the same stories. I've heard a better telling of why he wrote it. It's like he's retelling stories that he's said in the past, but he's rushing through them in order to give the other two a chance to comment. John Beatty sounds like a jovial yet awkward Chris Farley character. I imagine him jumping in and saying "Do you remember that time when..."
http://screen.yahoo.com/chris-farley-show-000000216.html

I liked when Mike Zeck was telling how inaccurate the online resource sites are. I've ranted on this. Find a resource site that knows Bob Layton was not a founder of Valiant. I haven't found one yet.

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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (8th Sep 15 at 12:23am UTC)
The Chris Farley Show was classic. And the one with Paul McCartney..."Remember when you were in the Beatles?"

I thought Bob Layton was the Stan Lee of Valiant? According to himself in a recent podcast interview.... Smiley

Reminds me of one of Don Rickles' jokes...."DeNiro...he's one of the greatest actors of our time...you ask him, he'll tell ya!"

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The Chris Farley Show was classic. And the one with Paul McCartney..."Remember when you were in the Beatles?"

I thought Bob Layton was the Stan Lee of Valiant? According to himself in a recent podcast interview.... Smiley

Reminds me of one of Don Rickles' jokes...."DeNiro...he's one of the greatest actors of our time...you ask him, he'll tell ya!"

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Doesn't John Beatty sound like that Chris Farley character? He does to me.

What's Bo Blayton up to these days? Smiley

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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (8th Sep 15 at 2:43pm UTC)
He kind of does a little. They didn't look too excited to be there on stage. Maybe a few redbull drinks would have helped to liven things up for them. the room wasn't exactly full with people. mostly about 30 in a giant ballroom.

Jim did the most talking....he tried to give them a chance while passing the microphone around and they said no. lol. Shooter would make for great podcast show with all his stories if he hosted one. I'd subscribe... Smiley

I haven't really followed any Layton's comic work...i'll listen to the occasional interview but i'm not really a fan. I haven't read any of his Future comics. Are they any good?

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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (8th Sep 15 at 11:48pm UTC)
Future Comics is a cross between bad Valiant (post-Shooter) and Charlton. They were too childish in my opinion, but they wanted to be whgat Valiant had been. I thought they were horrible, but well drawn. Layton and Giordano were damn good inkers. Beyond that, I wasn't interested in anything more from them. Layton could probably come up with some good concepts, but he needs someone else to flesh out the plots. True story... I got two stores to order product from them because I wanted to give them a shot. The comics sat like rocks after a few initial purchases. I later apologized to the store owners because I thought they were terrible. The fans at the Valiant messageboard were praising them and blowing so much smoke up their ass that Future Comics actually called retailers around the country asking for their honest opinion. One of the store that I had coaxed into ordering their books laid it out that the comics were not selling and no one cared. They shut down about a week later. There had been some embezzling or a robbery which also happened around the same time. Regardless, I think they made the smartest decision. I'm sure other retailers were honest with them too.

Shooter needs to create some characters that he own. Get his feet wet on indy publishing and shop his scripts around for a movie deal.

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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (11th Sep 15 at 6:30pm UTC)
I don't think i've ever thumbed through a copy of Future Comics and never seen one in my shops. i do see the artwork on the bags when I buy silver age comic bags though. I tried reading the post Shooter valiant and I didn't get far. I read a couple the Solar issues, with Layton's writing I think, and found it to be a tedious boring read. So I just bailed and didn't bother reading any more. Same for the Magnus issues. I wish LorneMichaels would jump back into comics publishing again....

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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (11th Sep 15 at 7:41pm UTC)
Solar was written by Kevin VanHook after Shooter was ousted. He was a writer in training that was bumped up to a primary writing role. Solar went from altering matter to shooting blasts out of his hands. I thought VanHook's writing was horrid. I used to get pissed off if I opened a comic and saw his name. Shooter had written some plot elements for Bloodshot that were to be revealed as the story progressed. VanHook condensed it all into about 2 issues and the mystery behind him was revealed. No tease. No taunting. Just spit it out and tell it.

You just brought back bad memories. Smiley

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