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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (18th Nov 16 at 11:20pm UTC)
I guess this means JS is available to tour more comicons next year:

http://witterstaetterwrites.blogspot.com/2016/11/jim-shooter-announced-for-2017.html

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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (19th Nov 16 at 2:24am UTC)
I'm glad for him having a booking agent. I'm disappointed at the same time. I've met Ms Gesundheit (my sarcastic take on her name) and found her attitude and character to be intolerable. Her and her hip-joined cohort Michael Golden were rude to fans at a show then chatted gleefully about the exciting commercial prospect they'd met at a comic show behind their table right in front of me. It took every ounce of self-censorship to not cuss them out. Anyone who knows me knows that If I'm actually censoring something I'm going to say, then it is not anything that anyone should ever hear. The only result would be scarring of brain tissue.

Even if I was excited to hear this, I can't imagine him doing any show here that I'd want to attend. I don't go to Dragon Con out of protest and others in my area aren't big enough to pull him in as a guest.

I'll probably see Shelton Drum here in Atlanta a few months before Heroes Con. I might ask him why he's never booked Jim. Even then, I hate the drive to Charlotte. I only stay one day and it'd be about 8hrs on the road for me in one day. There's a 90% chance that I wouldn't go even if Jim was a guest.

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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (19th Nov 16 at 11:49pm UTC)
I don't know much about those convention people. Michael Golden sounds like the comic artist? I confused him with Mike Grell. He was at a convention here last summer.

I'm a little annoyed with my local conventions since they keep changing venues to go more up north of me. I didn't buy an early ticket this time. Only an hour drive for me if I went but still annoying when it was nearby for years. If JS went back again i'd make the trek.

I'd be more excited with some comic announcements by him though.
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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (20th Nov 16 at 12:12am UTC)
On a positive note, Eva Ink (her company) has ties already established with Image and they could get a book published through Image for Jim if he wanted to dip into that option.

I think Renee (sp?) used to work at Marvel. Michael Golden was always critically acclaimed as the Micronauts artist back in the eighties. I was never really excited about his work. He has strong ties with Continuity Studios in that he created Bucky O'Hare and he was the artist on Toyboy.

This thread represents his attitude towards fans.
http://www.byrnerobotics.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19898&PN=1&TPN=1

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A guy pays over $500 for a commissioned sketch. Michael Golden ships it late. He's annoyed by the guy asking about it and draws a crappy sketch with Dr. Strange making a mocking hand gesture and a misspelled text that reads "Patience is a Virue [Virtue]" addressed to the buyer.

He overvalues his art. He tried to justify some absurd price for a Toyboy page of original art to me. I just told him I could get better pieces for the same amount of money. Again though, I never was a huge fan of his art. His price structure was probably inspired by Neal Adams and that's fine. I'd never pay it, but obviously some people with deeper pockets would.

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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (20th Nov 16 at 4:12pm UTC)
Whatta jerkoff. I've heard of commission horror stories before but not when they draw out an insult on the page to a paying buyer/fan. I'd shove that page right in his face and demand my $500 back.

Golden sounds like a real talent. Smiley

That was nice of Byrne to offer the buyer something to make up for that commission experience.



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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (20th Nov 16 at 5:57pm UTC)
 
Whatta jerkoff. I've heard of commission horror stories before but not when they draw out an insult on the page to a paying buyer/fan. I'd shove that page right in his face and demand my $500 back.

Golden sounds like a real talent. Smiley

That was nice of Byrne to offer the buyer something to make up for that commission experience.


An artistic talent does not make someone a good person unfortunately. I've found that it's often best to not meet the people whose work you admire.

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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (20th Nov 16 at 11:05pm UTC)
I'd throw in a few comic writers in there as well.
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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (20th Nov 16 at 11:38pm UTC)
Definitely. I had a near argument with Kurt Busiek online. I'm not a fan of Tony Isabella.

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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (21st Nov 16 at 9:02pm UTC)
That sounds like it wasn't fun. I've seen comic writers act like tremendous dicks online. And some are such know-it-alls that they turn off their own fans in the process.

I can't say i've read anything by Isabella. I just see his name dropped on very old back issues of CBG magazines.
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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (21st Nov 16 at 11:15pm UTC)
Mr. Isabella used to post links to his web page on every message board or comics related usenet group around. If you replied to his posts, you wouldn't get a response. The next post you'd see from him was his next post linking to his web page again. He was spamming sites and everyone ignored it because he was a comic creator. Everyone loved having a comic creator participate at their forum. My first encounter with him was a usenet discussion about the CBG. I used to think that the CBG was legitimate comics news and articles. Eventually, I discovered that most of it was press releases written by comic publishers. I lost a lot of respect for it when Jack Kirby died and they ran a Rob Liefeld cover with only a tiny small blurb about Jack Kirby dying. They had time to put a comment on the cover, but they didn't think it worthy to dedicate a cover to the man. It was then that I realized that they never featured news on the cover. It was always ads for comics coming out. I asserted online that CBG was selling their cover spot as ad space. CBG contributors denied it. Tony Isabella chimed in with some stupid comment about me. I tore into his ignorant comment and I've never put up with his BS since.

Busiek and I have a different idea of what copyrights should be.

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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (19th Dec 16 at 12:55am UTC)
Photo taken at Roger Stern's wedding. Left to right: Christie Scheele, Tom DeFalco, Carmela Merlo, Roger Stern, John Byrne, Mark Gruenwald, and Belinda Glass and at the back, Jim Shooter (who stood on a cinder block for comedic effect).

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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (19th Dec 16 at 2:17am UTC)
The cinder block idea was good, but he looks larger even by width.
They clearly look like northerners.

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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (21st Dec 16 at 5:30pm UTC)
A former Marvel colorist just replied to a thread I started elsewhere, and he said he was making $25 a page and one day Shooter called him out of the blue and asked him what he was making. Shooter immediately doubled it to $50 a page.
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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (21st Dec 16 at 7:08pm UTC)
 
A former Marvel colorist just replied to a thread I started elsewhere, and he said he was making $25 a page and one day Shooter called him out of the blue and asked him what he was making. Shooter immediately doubled it to $50 a page.


Shooter has a reputation of wanting to fairly compensate creators.

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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (21st Dec 16 at 7:15pm UTC)
Yes. I thought I'd back that reputation up a bit here.
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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (24th Dec 16 at 3:21pm UTC)
When someone starts a comic publishing company after making a lot of money in a different field, they don't have a good plan going in, and they want to implement their own ideas. They end up failing. One of them needs to get smart and let Shooter coordinate their launch.
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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (24th Dec 16 at 8:09pm UTC)
 
When someone starts a comic publishing company after making a lot of money in a different field, they don't have a good plan going in, and they want to implement their own ideas. They end up failing. One of them needs to get smart and let Shooter coordinate their launch.


I think Jim has a good understanding of how to talk business and how to deal with all the individual creative personalities. Those are 2 different languages.

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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (30th Dec 16 at 12:10am UTC)
Shooter is going to do a local show, but I won't be attending, because the show has a reputation for not having actual comic dealers and does have a high ticket price. I don't go to shows for the media guests, I go to buy comics. Silly me, I guess.

http://www.philadelphiacomiccon.com/
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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (30th Dec 16 at 1:53am UTC)
 
Shooter is going to do a local show, but I won't be attending, because the show has a reputation for not having actual comic dealers and does have a high ticket price. I don't go to shows for the media guests, I go to buy comics. Silly me, I guess.

http://www.philadelphiacomiccon.com/


Exactly.

Unfortunately, celebrities and pop culture guests pull in more money.
Heroes Con in North Carolina is an oddity because it has managed to stay dedicated to comics.
Odd. The biography mentions Phobos at the end. The Phobos site hasn't been updated in over 10 years.

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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (30th Dec 16 at 8:56pm UTC)
I would go just to ask if his new comic coming out might lead into something more passed that one issue of BedtimeStories.

I see MichaelGolden in the guest list too. I guess Shooter is more into attending conventions up north now.
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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (30th Dec 16 at 9:30pm UTC)
It's within driving distance for him and he's only there 2 days. Some of those big shows are expensive. My rule of thumb is that if I'm going to a show, I expect to buy something at least 4 times the cost of admission or I don't see it as worthwhile. If I don't have that much disposable money to waste... I mean spend, I don't go.

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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (2nd Feb 17 at 4:59am UTC)
Pretty good write up on Shooter, focusing on his time as Marvel's EIC.

http://rsmwriter.blogspot.com/2016/06/jim-shooter-second-opinion.html?m=1
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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (2nd Feb 17 at 6:55am UTC)
 
Pretty good write up on Shooter, focusing on his time as Marvel's EIC.

http://rsmwriter.blogspot.com/2016/06/jim-shooter-second-opinion.html?m=1


I'm thinking I've read that before. Seeing Rick Parker's reply.... I am almost positive that I've read it before.
Unless Mr. Parker is posting similar comments about letterers on other sites, I've definitely read it before.

Rick Parker worked on Marvel's Beavis & Butthead comic. He was the artist. Not sure if he wrote it also.

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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (2nd Feb 17 at 7:08am UTC)
The author says this in the comments:

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3. Marvel owned all original art for their company-owned material. The transactions meet the definition of a sale under New York state law, which is essentially money for goods. Kirby never disputed Marvel’s ownership within the statutory window, so he effectively acknowledged that ownership by default. Several following the lead of Neal Adams have propagated a hypothesis that the failure to collect sales tax on these transactions means no sale occurred. However, there is no statute or case law that holds that collection or non-collection of sales tax is determinative of whether a sale has occurred. In fact, a New York tax-department representative is on the record in a Comics Journal article that the Adams sales-tax hypothesis is wrong. Other claims, such as the absence of a bill of sale means no sale occurred, are also erroneous. The transactions did not meet the criteria for a bill of sale to be required per the New York statute of frauds.


Neal said that if a sale occurred, then Marvel is legally obligated to pay sales tax and that amount would be huge!!! He said that Marvel would be obligated to pay sales tax if they admitted that a sale occurred. That was one of the reasons they started giving the art back.

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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (2nd Feb 17 at 10:31pm UTC)
I noticed Shooter's doing alot of conventions this year including one near me late Summer. I haven't bought tix yet but it's a bit north of me so it would be a trek. Maybe i'll go and see if he does some panels. Also Georges Jeanty and Jose Delbo are in the convention so far so it's kind of a mini Defiant reunion already.

The more conventions I see him touring makes me think he's not really doing any new projects comics in the near future. I dunno. I bet the convention scene pays him better than freelance work in the comic industry though.

I think the American Myth gig was just a brief flash since they aren't even hyping it with 3 weeks to go.
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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (2nd Feb 17 at 11:56pm UTC)
He should print out copies of his scripts and sell signed versions. Maybe publish a few or takes self published version of his how to create comics seminar. If artists can publish convention sketchbooks, he could publish something. He could even toss in samples of the stuff they mulled over in the creative stages.

Mr. Vaughn is promoting the comic. I applaud him for that, but the publisher should be taking more initiative.

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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (3rd Feb 17 at 11:11pm UTC)
That's a smart idea especially for a superstar of Shooter's caliber. Actors and voice actors do it all the time for tv scripts by autographing them. I've seen scripts go insanely high for Simpsons tv scripts signed by anybody from the show, even the writers.

Why not a legend like Shooter!

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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (4th Feb 17 at 2:24am UTC)
I think Peter David used to bring scripts. Jim could do much more because he saved all the clippings and such. He could bring self published scripts in a booklet form and then have clippings/artwork/photographs scanned and such to balance out a package. Over time, he could publish multiple.

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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (4th Feb 17 at 2:49am UTC)
I'm hoping to find time this weekend to review recent comments in this thread and contribute.
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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (4th Feb 17 at 11:13pm UTC)
You didn't miss much.

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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (18th Feb 17 at 3:58pm UTC)
http://harbertv.com/Shooter

At the end of video part 2:

JS: "I'm cooking up something with Neal Adams so we'll see."

Smiley Smiley *crossing fingers*
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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (18th Feb 17 at 9:13pm UTC)
I agree. Fingers crossed.

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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (19th Feb 17 at 1:27am UTC)
Toes and eyes crossed too.
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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (28th Feb 17 at 11:35pm UTC)
They spelled Alex's name wrong.
I have a Spider-man daily comic that he drew.
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Saviuk asked if it was Coke or pop and Jim says it depends upon where you are. In Atlanta, all soft drinks can be called Coke. You don't say "I want a Sprite". You say "I'll take a Coke". Someone will reply "Anything special?" Then you say "Sprite". All soft drinks are generically referred to as Coke. "Pop", "Soda Pop" and descriptions like that are for Northern weirdos.

Starbrand should like the Starbrand story unless he's wandered off too far.

Cool that they are talking about different stuff.

Vodka and Grapefruit is a Greyhound? I thought it was a Salty Dog or something like that.

Like the voice actor doing his voice for the Hermie, the Elf. Good interview with him.

There appears to be a blonde woman photo-bombing the video. She jumps from one side to the other and she's squarely looking at the camera.

Fun to see.

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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (1st Mar 17 at 6:19pm UTC)
Yea, this one was more entertaining. The liquor and bar setting must have helped.

The blond lady in the back looked like she was mouthing "I have a story tell too! *look at me!*

Every time I hear "Pop" I think about the diner in the old Archie Comics. "Pop's Diner."

Any Vodka sounds good right about now. {Grin}

Bleedingcool seems to be the only comics site on the net that would link any Jim Shooter news or videos anywhere.



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Yea, this one was more entertaining. The liquor and bar setting must have helped.

The blond lady in the back looked like she was mouthing "I have a story tell too! *look at me!*

Every time I hear "Pop" I think about the diner in the old Archie Comics. "Pop's Diner."

Any Vodka sounds good right about now. {Grin}

Bleedingcool seems to be the only comics site on the net that would link any Jim Shooter news or videos anywhere.





I think Bleeding Cool actually tries to post impartial news. I don't have a problem with their coverage of the industry. When Jim got fired from Valiant, I sent Rich an email and pointed him to Janet's comments about it on the VCS board. He ran with it and published a couple of accurate stories.

I can't remember the last time I drank. Never was a heavy drinker. One beer gets me loopy and very silly.

I've had a craving for Goldschläger because I always drank it with beautiful women. The last being my girlfriend whom is out of state for a bit longer. I saw an article about a Kit Kat candy bar in Japan that was something like $18 and covered in edible Gold. I've been craving Goldschläger ever since. Not a lot. Just a couple of glasses maybe. I keep forgetting to stop and get any. I'll probably be saying the same thing a year from now.

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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (3rd Mar 17 at 5:05pm UTC)
http://epicmarvelpodcast.com/interview-shooter/

Jump to the last 5 minutes of the podcast where he talks that he has a secret writing thing happening at Image Comics. Must be related to the 25th Anniversary of Image this year....

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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (3rd Mar 17 at 6:31pm UTC)
I can't listen at the moment. It looks like Shooter will be writing something for Image?
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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (3rd Mar 17 at 6:46pm UTC)
Sounds like. In the last three minutes he says Image is paying him to look at some of their books....and give them suggestions....and he mentioned about being involved in a secret project with them that he can't talk about yet.

I'm guessing it has to do with the core Image Universe characters and Image's anniversary....he mentions big name artists....

He also mentions he got paid to do Bedtime Stories with a "hearty handshake". Smiley

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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (3rd Mar 17 at 8:33pm UTC)
I listened to most of it while taking measurements on a part with calipers and then rejecting it in the computer. I was getting interrupted and having to stop it and walk away occasionally. I thought he said he was working for a European publisher. That shows you how distracted I was.

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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (3rd Mar 17 at 11:53pm UTC)
His voice sounded a little croaky, maybe he had a cold or it was the phone connection.

He's pretty razor sharp in remembering details from his early Marvel days.

I heard the ending a couple times to hear it right about Image. Maybe something with the Youngblood relaunch and Liefeld? *speculating*

At least they're paying him to look at their books for his expertise. It would be epic if it turns into him overseeing a comic line.

Can't wait to see the upcoming Previews for any news. Maybe something will be mentioned at one of these Spring convention summit things.


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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (4th Mar 17 at 12:23am UTC)
I could see Eric Larsen utilizing Jim more than I could Liefeld. Liefeld thinks an editor is supposed to do what the artist wants. I have no interest in any Image superheroes and just as little interest in anything else they publish.

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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (4th Mar 17 at 2:58pm UTC)
 
His voice sounded a little croaky, maybe he had a cold or it was the phone connection.



I think it's just very poor quality audio. It sounds like it was recorded at a low bitrate and then had some additional audio processing done.
There are definitely some audio "artifacts" or sound processing defects as I prefer to call them.

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https://archive.org/details/AmazingHeroesInterviewsEpisode1PeterDavidAtComicpalooza2015

Peter David does not recall Jim Shooter being hard on him as an employee.
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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (3rd Apr 17 at 12:20pm UTC)
Speaking of Peter David:

https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/04/02/peter-david-needs-help-pay-88000-back-taxes/

Not bad for a day old gofundme page....

and a good example to avoid marrying...



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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (3rd Apr 17 at 12:48pm UTC)
 
Speaking of Peter David:

https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/04/02/peter-david-needs-help-pay-88000-back-taxes/

Not bad for a day old gofundme page....

and a good example to avoid marrying...





I saw his blog yesterday and was aware of this.
I'm thinking that the gofundme page would also be considered taxable income.

{Rolleyes}

I've been told that I'm a genius for having never been married.

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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (3rd Apr 17 at 1:50pm UTC)
I have friends who are married and are so miserable all day/weekend long. They look for any opportunity to leave their houses even if it's 10 minutes to the gas station to get away from their wives. Early on they would tell me, "when are you getting married dude?" Fast forward 2 years and I hear them fighting on the phone how much they hate each other. Even worse when they have kids and throw them to each other to babysit because they each need time for themselves. Slinging insults back and forth. Via phone calls and text.

hmmm....Why not get get married! Who wants that?! Pass!

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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (6th Apr 17 at 12:27am UTC)
Interesting comments from Layton on Shooter in this podcast. Starts at around 32:00 min mark:

https://soundcloud.com/christopher-calloway-318499945/creator-talks-episode-1


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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (6th Apr 17 at 9:47am UTC)
He sounds like he's drunk. Strange comments.

He's repeating what I said about the intro to Dr. Strange.... about Marvel divorcing themselves from the comics. Does he read my posts?

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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (6th Apr 17 at 1:06pm UTC)
He probably does. I never knew he created 50 percent of Harbinger too.

I need to finish the last hour of Dr Strange.

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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (6th Apr 17 at 7:05pm UTC)
 
He probably does. I never knew he created 50 percent of Harbinger too.

I need to finish the last hour of Dr Strange.

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I didn't hear him say that, but I know that Valiant was split about even publishing Harbinger. I don't think Layton wanted it published.

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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (11th Apr 17 at 4:40pm UTC)
Just saw a picture of Shooter at a show this past weekend, and he's walking with a cane.
This is the one man that I believe had the ability to launch a comic universe that could've competed with the big two in some aspects. The sands of the hour glass are relentless, though. I guess it's not going to happen. I was holding out a slight hope over the years.
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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (11th Apr 17 at 7:45pm UTC)
I've been saying this for awhile. It wasn't to bust your bubble of hope. It's just a real case fact.

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My bubble of hope wasn't very large. :/
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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (11th Apr 17 at 8:44pm UTC)
I still have hope. The bubble is microscopic.
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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (11th Apr 17 at 8:57pm UTC)
I remember seeing the cane a few years ago. He must have bad knees for being so tall and his age. Maybe surgery would help that. It was depressing seeing him grimace to stand up from a small chair and walk down steps from a panel I saw.

Being a Shooter fan, i'm used to any of his universes being short lived. I'm not expecting much anymore. I'll root like a cheerleader if some new surprise project happens but my expectations are low for anything lasting long. Fans are probably lucky to have gotten at least 20 issues of his last Dark Horse run.
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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (11th Apr 17 at 9:51pm UTC)
Yeah, the ship on his overseeing a new comic universe has likely sailed.
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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (11th Apr 17 at 10:25pm UTC)
I wish he'd just think small and start self-publishing. He could build upon that. If it was gaining readership, he could sell a 50% stake in it. He needs to own some creative properties and quit working for other people. Marvel is making money off of his ideas and he's getting nothing.

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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (11th Apr 17 at 11:55pm UTC)
Yeah, Marvel and others too.
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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (12th Apr 17 at 1:26pm UTC)
Where were there pictures posted of Shooter from the show this past weekend? Just curious as the show was near me and I'd like to see them. I did not go, because this show was one of those "Pop Culture" cons masquerading as a comic con. A local dealer who I am friendly with went, and he told me there were only four back issue comic sellers at this show.

I think he mainly went to get some items signed. Shooter signed a whole bunch of stuff for him, which of course he now has up for sale in his shop. He also got signatures from other comic creators, most of them were charging for autographs. He told me a funny story where he chose to haggle with Michael Golden over the costs of his signatures. The dealer had a Golden Dr. Strange portfolio and he wanted Golden to sign all of the plates. The dealer offered a set price for the signatures, but Golden came back with a higher number. The dealer seemed to be soured on Golden because of this, but I don't really think he can be too upset, because he put the portfolio back on sale in the shop after getting it signed
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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (12th Apr 17 at 3:56pm UTC)
I saw a picture or two from that show posted by a small publisher on Facebook. This guy might be the biggest small publisher ever, as he publishes tons of stuff. Shooter hung out at his booth with him, and the publisher had pics taken.
I'll try to remember to see if I can capture those pics and post them here this weekend, when I'm on a desktop.
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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (12th Apr 17 at 10:55pm UTC)
 
Where were there pictures posted of Shooter from the show this past weekend? Just curious as the show was near me and I'd like to see them. I did not go, because this show was one of those "Pop Culture" cons masquerading as a comic con. A local dealer who I am friendly with went, and he told me there were only four back issue comic sellers at this show.

I think he mainly went to get some items signed. Shooter signed a whole bunch of stuff for him, which of course he now has up for sale in his shop. He also got signatures from other comic creators, most of them were charging for autographs. He told me a funny story where he chose to haggle with Michael Golden over the costs of his signatures. The dealer had a Golden Dr. Strange portfolio and he wanted Golden to sign all of the plates. The dealer offered a set price for the signatures, but Golden came back with a higher number. The dealer seemed to be soured on Golden because of this, but I don't really think he can be too upset, because he put the portfolio back on sale in the shop after getting it signed


This is my theory...

From what I can tell, Neal Adams feels like artists undervalue their work and that if they priced their stuff higher, the market will step up to pay the higher prices. It is possible to negotiate with Neal if you don't insult him in the process. He knows that not everyone can pay the price he wants for his work or for his autograph. If he thinks that your only goal is to flip it so you can make more money at his expense, he's going to keep the prices high.

Michael Golden had worked with Neal enough that he appears to subscribe to Neal's business skills. He does not however have the compassion that Neal has and I think that he's far less likely to cut even the most avid fan a deal. Renee, who comes across as his business partner seems to be the worst possible advocate against cutting anyone a deal. I scoffed at a price that he was charging for a Toyboy page of art and she stepped in to not only defend his price but imply that I'd be lucky to own any of his art. Then they proceeded to ignore me and talk about a possible commercial art contact they may have made at his show. I walked away thinking that I never wanted a page of his art in my collection. At some point I bought an art book of his and I feel disgusted for even owning it. If he was setup at a show today, I find it very improbable that I would even look at his table or make any attempt to talk to him again. The only exception would be if he was setup adjacent to Neal or Jim and I was unable to avoid casual conversation.

I will defend Neal's prices on insignificant pieces even when they go well beyond what I could afford. His impact on the hobby is a thousand times greater than anything Michael Golden did. Even at the height of Michael Golden's comic success, I was never really a fan of his style. I even agree with Neal's attitude when it offends other comic professionals because I do think artists undervalue their work. I think Neal has good business sense even when he comes across as cocky.

Michael Golden could have limited the number of autographs he was going to give. You can't weed out every person that's going to try to flip you signature for a profit nor should you. A comic art eco-system needs bottom dwellers to get your name selling on the market. If you try to kill off or starve the bottom dwellers completely, you hurt the entire eco-system.

I paid a hefty chunk of money for a Neal Adams sketch and I have no intention of ever selling it. He did shave a little off the price and he even tested the waters to see if it was really for me, and not a piece that I was going to flip. It was for me so I walked away as a happy customer. Michael Golden seems only interested in himself, so I doubt that many of his customers walk away feeling as if they had a nice experience unless they are exceedingly wealthy and already think that Michael Golden is just someone who can be bought with money.

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Where were there pictures posted of Shooter from the show this past weekend? Just curious as the show was near me and I'd like to see them. I did not go, because this show was one of those "Pop Culture" cons masquerading as a comic con. A local dealer who I am friendly with went, and he told me there were only four back issue comic sellers at this show.

I think he mainly went to get some items signed. Shooter signed a whole bunch of stuff for him, which of course he now has up for sale in his shop. He also got signatures from other comic creators, most of them were charging for autographs. He told me a funny story where he chose to haggle with Michael Golden over the costs of his signatures. The dealer had a Golden Dr. Strange portfolio and he wanted Golden to sign all of the plates. The dealer offered a set price for the signatures, but Golden came back with a higher number. The dealer seemed to be soured on Golden because of this, but I don't really think he can be too upset, because he put the portfolio back on sale in the shop after getting it signed


I spent at least five minutes just now looking for those pics I saw on Facebook so I could post them here, but didn't find them. Sorry.

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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (29th Apr 17 at 4:28pm UTC)
https://soundcloud.com/omniversesa/ccee-2017-jim-shooter-interview

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That was amazingly boring. The same questions have been answered yet again.

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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (12th May 17 at 2:36pm UTC)
This podcast had a mention about Jim Shooter at a convention and one of the guys said that Shooter had a project he's been working on that he's hoping would come out of Image Comics:

http://www.wetalkpodcasts.com/wtc-183-ccee-2017-recap/

I don't know why there isn't a bidding war for a new Shooter comic between all the comic companies.

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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (12th May 17 at 7:10pm UTC)
Shooter is hoping Image will publish a new project of his?
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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (12th May 17 at 7:46pm UTC)
I'll try and listen to it later tonight. I saw the post at work, but I was too busy trying to leave early so I didn't listen to it there.

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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (12th May 17 at 10:40pm UTC)
From the last few months of his podcasts and interviews, I remember him saying:


- possible kickstarter comic from Illustrated Media
- a comic project with Neal Adams
- a secret project from Image this year that he can't announce yet (with a bunch of other big names involved)
- and this podcast had a guy saying that Jim hopes to have a project coming out of Image


Sounds like the "development hell phase" for movies in development but for comics.

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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (12th May 17 at 10:53pm UTC)
Solid!
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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (13th May 17 at 2:31am UTC)
 
From the last few months of his podcasts and interviews, I remember him saying:


- possible kickstarter comic from Illustrated Media
- a comic project with Neal Adams
- a secret project from Image this year that he can't announce yet (with a bunch of other big names involved)
- and this podcast had a guy saying that Jim hopes to have a project coming out of Image


Sounds like the "development hell phase" for movies in development but for comics.

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Maybe Image is going to publish Neal's characters with Jim Shooter running the show?

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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (13th May 17 at 4:23pm UTC)
I'll take it. I've been checking the Image preview solicits and there's nothing yet with Shooter's name on it.
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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (13th May 17 at 8:42pm UTC)
I'm in, if that's what it is.
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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (20th May 17 at 5:03am UTC)
I went to a comic book store today for the first time in over a year. On the front door there was an ad for a major event coming from Image in 2017. I can't remember what it said, but I remember thinking it seemed right up Shooter's alley.
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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (20th May 17 at 11:57am UTC)
Sacred Creatures has Jim on the cover. Smiley

http://www.newsarama.com/34112-image-comics-full-july-2017-solicitations.html

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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (20th May 17 at 1:49pm UTC)
Early easter egg?

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Early easter egg?

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Some old school creators are associated with the comic. It seems odd. I really didn't dig for that either.

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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (20th May 17 at 11:34pm UTC)
I noticed Klaus Jansen's name and Frank Miller on that book.

I was wondering when are the peak selling months are for promoting comics during the regular year. I thought the Summer months were the key event months to promote and solicit books with big names like Shooter attached to them. The only thing I can think of is the Image 25th Anniversary....I can't remember if those old launch issues had a fall release from 1992.

I dunno.....I keep checking previews for any solicit news anyway....a teaser....anything....


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I noticed Klaus Jansen's name and Frank Miller on that book.

I was wondering when are the peak selling months are for promoting comics during the regular year. I thought the Summer months were the key event months to promote and solicit books with big names like Shooter attached to them. The only thing I can think of is the Image 25th Anniversary....I can't remember if those old launch issues had a fall release from 1992.

I dunno.....I keep checking previews for any solicit news anyway....a teaser....anything....


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Summer has the heaviest promotion. January and February are light. The summer convention circuit gives shops creators an extra opportunity to meet new customers.
Christmas drains people's budgets and they are struggling financially afterwards.

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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (22nd May 17 at 10:28pm UTC)
Icon One:

http://2guys1review.com/2017/05/22/jimshootericon/

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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (22nd May 17 at 10:41pm UTC)
Good one. I'll read it when I get home. Worked late.
We all know I'm to blame because I wouldn't let this board become and Ultraverse board.

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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (22nd May 17 at 11:02pm UTC)
What's an Ultraverse board?
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What's an Ultraverse board?


Did you somehow miss the early years of my board when one of Greg's board members came to my old messageboard and decided he'd lie to everyone at Greg's board? He told everyone at Greg's board that me and him were best buddies and that they should join my messageboard despite me asking him not to do that in emails. Greg's members joined under completely false pretenses and then flooded my general comics section with threads about Malibu's Ultraverse. Understanding that Greg's members were duped by the jerk, I created a category to discuss Ultraverse. I created the category to separate it from the rest of the discussions so I could choose not to see them if I so wished. I detest Ultraverse and I never hid the fact. I created a checklist because I was interested from a historical and archival perspective. I was not interested in any of it from a creative perspective except for Rune & an issue of Sludge drawn by Mike Ploog. Regardless, I watched as Ultraverse discussion blossomed and no one was posting in the DEFIANT & Broadway sections. I kept my patience. Eventually, the same lying jerk was sucking up to Tom Mason by email and thought he was going to convince me into creating an Ultraverse board project. Some signed comic like Greg's board is known for doing. I told him that it wasn't happening, but he ignored me. So right when everything was supposed to fall into place and he was going to get Tom Mason on board for this project, I shut down the Ultraverse section entirely. He should have gotten a clue, because it was the only category that was having threads older than a certain date purged and deleted. I used to have a lot of members, but deleting the category caused about 90% of my members to leave. I never pretended to be someone I'm not. It was Greg's board member that lied to everyone. I'm proud to say I exposed his lies to Tom Mason and utterly humiliated him in the process. I was glad when he stormed out with his temper tantrum. Brother J was the only open-minded person that took everything at face value. I have a lot of respect for his ability to see through the smokescreen that was put in front of him. Gowaltrip came around later, but he saw the scene before and he saw the aftermath.

There was stuff going on in the background to discredit my site and make me out to be irrational. I was quite rational through it all. I refused to roll over and play dead. Ryan who wrote the article above had created a Forgotten Universes website that featured Ultraverse, Broadway, DEFIANT, and New Universe. Ironically, it was all the dead universes helmed by either Rosenberg or Shooter at the time they were collaborating away from the public eye. Hmmmm! The template for the site was modeled after Greg's site with the same formatting & color scheme. My site was updated regularly and scored some cool content while Ryan's site just sat there with incorrect static info and wasn't updated. I haven't read the interview, but there's been a lot that I knew about and never talked about.

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I trust Jim to make those projects interesting, but the summaries they talked about didn't interest me. A robot, vampire, and a mermaid? Ughhh!

Where would Einstein get the motivation to make a robot? It takes very specific mechanical and electrical knowledge. Granted he got most of his insights as a patent clerk, I just don't see that as a natural and logical segue into building a robot. He was more into the theoretical and mathematical concepts. Tesla was the inventor.

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What's an Ultraverse board?


Did you somehow miss the early years of my board when one of Greg's board members came to my old messageboard and decided he'd lie to everyone at Greg's board? He told everyone at Greg's board that me and him were best buddies and that they should join my messageboard despite me asking him not to do that in emails. Greg's members joined under completely false pretenses and then flooded my general comics section with threads about Malibu's Ultraverse. Understanding that Greg's members were duped by the jerk, I created a category to discuss Ultraverse. I created the category to separate it from the rest of the discussions so I could choose not to see them if I so wished. I detest Ultraverse and I never hid the fact. I created a checklist because I was interested from a historical and archival perspective. I was not interested in any of it from a creative perspective except for Rune & an issue of Sludge drawn by Mike Ploog. Regardless, I watched as Ultraverse discussion blossomed and no one was posting in the DEFIANT & Broadway sections. I kept my patience. Eventually, the same lying jerk was sucking up to Tom Mason by email and thought he was going to convince me into creating an Ultraverse board project. Some signed comic like Greg's board is known for doing. I told him that it wasn't happening, but he ignored me. So right when everything was supposed to fall into place and he was going to get Tom Mason on board for this project, I shut down the Ultraverse section entirely. He should have gotten a clue, because it was the only category that was having threads older than a certain date purged and deleted. I used to have a lot of members, but deleting the category caused about 90% of my members to leave. I never pretended to be someone I'm not. It was Greg's board member that lied to everyone. I'm proud to say I exposed his lies to Tom Mason and utterly humiliated him in the process. I was glad when he stormed out with his temper tantrum. Brother J was the only open-minded person that took everything at face value. I have a lot of respect for his ability to see through the smokescreen that was put in front of him. Gowaltrip came around later, but he saw the scene before and he saw the aftermath.

There was stuff going on in the background to discredit my site and make me out to be irrational. I was quite rational through it all. I refused to roll over and play dead. Ryan who wrote the article above had created a Forgotten Universes website that featured Ultraverse, Broadway, DEFIANT, and New Universe. Ironically, it was all the dead universes helmed by either Rosenberg or Shooter at the time they were collaborating away from the public eye. Hmmmm! The template for the site was modeled after Greg's site with the same formatting & color scheme. My site was updated regularly and scored some cool content while Ryan's site just sat there with incorrect static info and wasn't updated. I haven't read the interview, but there's been a lot that I knew about and never talked about.

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It was all going on around then. If you remember more than four people posting, that was right in the middle of it.

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Hmmm. I may have been focused mostly on DEFIANT stuff back then. I didn't read your lengthy post you made a few posts above this one. I'm on my phone and don't read lengthy stuff until the weekend on a desktop. Weird, I know.
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Hmmm. I may have been focused mostly on DEFIANT stuff back then. I didn't read your lengthy post you made a few posts above this one. I'm on my phone and don't read lengthy stuff until the weekend on a desktop. Weird, I know.


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I trust Jim to make those projects interesting, but the summaries they talked about didn't interest me. A robot, vampire, and a mermaid? Ughhh!

Where would Einstein get the motivation to make a robot? It takes very specific mechanical and electrical knowledge. Granted he got most of his insights as a patent clerk, I just don't see that as a natural and logical segue into building a robot. He was more into the theoretical and mathematical concepts. Tesla was the inventor.

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I would like to have seen Shooter's take on mermaids. {Cool}

Sounds like he was cranking out alot of ideas for Icon. Frustrating to see these hidden projects never coming to light.

Icon looks like it came right after Daring/Unity 2000 and before his hidden Phobos stuff.

In a way, he really hasn't stopped working in comics. It just never gets printed. *grrr* {Embarassed}

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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (24th May 17 at 3:22pm UTC)
Is there any info on what Shooter might be doing for Image?
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I trust Jim to make those projects interesting, but the summaries they talked about didn't interest me. A robot, vampire, and a mermaid? Ughhh!

Where would Einstein get the motivation to make a robot? It takes very specific mechanical and electrical knowledge. Granted he got most of his insights as a patent clerk, I just don't see that as a natural and logical segue into building a robot. He was more into the theoretical and mathematical concepts. Tesla was the inventor.

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I would like to have seen Shooter's take on mermaids. {Cool}

Sounds like he was cranking out alot of ideas for Icon. Frustrating to see these hidden projects never coming to light.

Icon looks like it came right after Daring/Unity 2000 and before his hidden Phobos stuff.

In a way, he really hasn't stopped working in comics. It just never gets printed. *grrr* {Embarassed}

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I think it was after Phobos or simultaneously. I have no real interest in seeing mermaids in a comic. Smiley
Maybe if Tesla built a robot it would interest me more. He could have hidden technology built in like Machine Man (minus the roller skates! Smiley)

Hopefully he's getting a paycheck.

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Is there any info on what Shooter might be doing for Image?



I have no info.

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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (25th May 17 at 6:05pm UTC)
I see nothing in their August solicits:

http://www.firstcomicsnews.com/image-comics-august-2017-solicitations/


The American Myth July solicits have the previous Bedtime Stories again:


http://www.firstcomicsnews.com/american-mythology-productions-july-2017-solicitations/


Overprinted unsold stock?


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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (25th May 17 at 6:24pm UTC)
Odd. The Bedtime solicitation says "In Shops: Feb 22, 2017".

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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (25th May 17 at 6:36pm UTC)
I see the same from Bongo too...they cancelled their new monthlies but are re-soliciting way old Radioactive Man hardcover books from 2012 for their upcomming August solicits.

Maybe American myth printed 5000 copies? And February sales only sold 2229 according to comicchron.

I still don't see any for their online shop.

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It makes sense to print 5,000. They probably get a price break at that level. I wonder why they didn't do a signed edition like one of the solicitations above it. If they printed 5,000 copies and only sold 2,229, then I find it highly likely that they took a loss on publishing the book.

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Re: The Jim Shooter Thread (27th May 17 at 2:06pm UTC)
Fantasy Adventurer #97
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I do not own this.

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Whoa.
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New book coming in August.....


http://www.upress.state.ms.us/books/2018

https://www.previewsworld.com/Catalog/JUN172269



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