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Charlton Canadian Price Variants - Posted By Defiant1 (admin) on 22nd Mar 19 at 4:23pm
Evidently, I never migrated this list from my old board which is shut down.
http://defiant1.proboards.com/thread/2579/charlton-canadian-price-variants

Credit for the info goes to Doug Sulipa, Mike Oxsmall, and Metarog, and myself.
Mike & Metarog alerted me to the existence and provided examples. Doug Sulipa defined the date range and most likely made all of us aware of these. I took Doug's info and filled it in with issue numbers. (Revised date range under review 9/6/2019)

Attack (1971)
39, 40, 41, 42, 43, 44, 45, 46 , 47 (Removed 4 issues 9/6/2019)
Battlefield Action (1957) 83, 84, 85, 86, 87
Beyond the Grave (1975) 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16 (Removed 4 issues 9/11/2019)
Billy the Kid (1957) 153 (Removed 9/11/2019)
Fightin' Army (1957) 162, 163, 164, 165, 166, 167, 168, 169, 170 (Removed 4 issues 9/12/2019)
Fightin' Marines (1955) 167, 168, 169, 170, 171, 172, 173, 174, 175 (Removed 3 issues 9/12/2019)
Fightin' Navy (1956) 126, 127, 128, 129, 130, 131, 132 (Removed 2 issues 9/12/2019)
Ghost Manor (1971) 67, 68, 69, 70, 71, 72, 73, 74, 75 (Removed 4 issues 9/12/2019)
Ghostly Tales (1966) 159, 160, 161, 162, 163, 164, 165, 166, 167, 168 (Removed 5 issues 9/12/2019)
Gunfighters (1966) 77, 78, 79, 80, 81, 82, 83, 83, 84, 85 (Removed 3 issues 9/12/2019)
Haunted (1971) 65, 66, 67, 68, 69, 70, 71, 72, 73, 74 (Removed 3 issues 9/12/2019)
Scary Tales (1975)37, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 43, 44, 45 (Removed 4 issues 9/12/2019)
Soap Opera Love (1983) 1, 2, 3 (Removed 9/13/2019)
Soap Opera Romances (1982) 5 (Removed 9/13/2019)
War (1975) 37, 38, 39,40, 41, 42, 43, 44, 45, 46 (Removed 4 issues 9/12/2019)

Possible Additions:

Cartoon Carnival (1962) 106(?)-110
Good Humor (circa 1961) 107(?) - 116

Since compiling this list in 2010 or so, I have become skeptical the the last issues for a series had a price variant released. I do not believe that Soap Opera Romances #5 or Billy the Kid #153 exist. I do not believe that Beyond the Grave exists because Charlton has both the U.S. and Canadian price on the cover of the U.S. version. These all still could exist, but none have appeared in the wild in the past 9 years.

There is an example of a Modern Promotions (Modern Comics) book having a U.S. version with the American & Canadian prices on the cover and also having a price variant with just the Canadian price on it. Voltron #1 is the specific comic I'm referring too.
[Special Note: Charlton & Modern are two different publishers despite Modern reprinting some Charlton comics.]

It has recently been discovered that Cartoon Carnival #28 has a 35¢ & 40¢ version. The 40¢ could be a price variant that predates the ones in the 80's. It has been reported that Cartoon Carnival #27 has a magazine sized version and a comic sized version. The magazine sized version could have been produced for the Canada market.

I have scans that are not yet uploaded and linked to my checklist. The proposed checklist above has been filling in nicely, but it is still incomplete. Some online guides don't know about the variants and show Canadian versions instead of the U.S. version.

Defiant1

Re: Charlton Canadian Price Variants - Posted By Get Marwood & I (getmarwoodi) on 11th Aug 19 at 11:50am
Hello {Cool}

Where are all these pre-September 1983 cover dated Charlton Canadian Price Variants Def? I keep seeing dates as early as 02/83 being mentioned but have never seen an example?

My own research indicates no more than five CPVs existing for the eligible bi-monthly titles, starting from September 83 to July 84 inclusive.

Where be all the others?

And, more importantly, where has me avatar gone? {Grin}

Re: Charlton Canadian Price Variants - Posted By Defiant1 (admin) on 11th Aug 19 at 3:55pm
I see your avatar just fine. It's been showing up every time I visit.

I know of no 75¢ price variants from early 1983. The original posts where I learned about the variants are no longer on the web unless they are archived at the Internet Archive. I may have a pdf that I printed of the thread.

My list has Battlefield Action #83 as the earliest possible Canadian Price variant for that series and it has an Oct. 1983 cover date.

I think it's a very safe bet that there are no 75¢ variants before September. I will sometimes say that the price variants are from 1983 & 1984. I don't get more specific because those are the dates I sometimes enter for web searches. I think it's unlikely there is a price variant for Battlefield Action #88 because it has dual pricing on the cover.
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I'm using Battlefield Action as an example because I have a full set of cover images for those Canadian variants.

I had to take a hiatus from doing updates due to vehicle repairs and hospital visits. All is fine, but most of my spare time was consumed.
I jumped back into doing updates on the dreadful Blue Bird Shoe Store comics. It's nowhere near as much fun as locating a Canadian price variant or a pence price variant.

Defiant1

Re: Charlton Canadian Price Variants - Posted By Get Marwood & I (getmarwoodi) on 12th Aug 19 at 4:35pm
It's back now Def (the avatar). Not sure why it was absent on my last visit. The site does take some time to load for me, maybe that's got something to do with it. We need a bigger pipe!

Anyway, take a peak at this if you get time and tell me if I have anything wrong:

https://www.cgccomics.com/boards/topic/455835-charlton-canadian-price-variants/?tab=comments#comment-10813876

I agree with you about the dual pricing from August/September 1984. In all my other research strands, that always signifies the end of the variant price experiment so I don't think any CPVs will surface cover dated later than July 1984.

I wonder whether any title will have more than 5 CPVs? If my dates are right, the maximum will be six copies for any of the in scope titles, but so far I see that six titles have only 5. Bit coincidental.

Also if my dates are right, there will be no Billy the Kid, Soap Opera Love or Soap Opera Romances. Not sure why they crop up on lists across the web, when there are no copies that I can see in existence?

All good fun {Cool}

Re: Charlton Canadian Price Variants - Posted By Defiant1 (admin) on 12th Aug 19 at 6:56pm
I sent you a PM with a link to a pdf file. It is the source of my original quest.

I see nothing inherently wrong with your post. To my recollection, Billy the Kid, Soap Opera Love or Soap Opera Romances were in the possible date range. I don't think they exist, but I still do searches for them.
I did not do the spreadsheet breakdown by month. If I'm wrong for listing them, it's because no one took me up on my request to check the info I posted. Image

I'm not ruling out variants for the adult humor magazines. At some point I'll check the titles in question and cross-reference it to the months you came up with. For now, I'm sticking with my list in order to err on the side of caution. I scrutinized the dates 7 years ago and I have not tried to retrace those step since all of the information was from external sources anyway. Searching for the covers involved trust that my sources were correct. So far, most of it has been. Your research sounds good though. I have 5 CPV's for Beyond the Grave and I've had no luck with locating 8, 9, & 10.

Defiant1


Re: Charlton Canadian Price Variants - Posted By Defiant1 (admin) on 12th Aug 19 at 7:08pm
The pdf I sent you explains where the February 1983 date came from.

mike-oxsmall wrote: (in 2010)
Quote:
Below is the list from Doug Sulpia of Comic World in the Overstreet Annual Price Guide #36, listing
the publishers and years they produce comics for the Canadian market.
(snip)
Charlton Comics 2/1983-8/1984


It looks like OPG #36 is a key publication in this search.

Defiant1

Re: Charlton Canadian Price Variants - Posted By Get Marwood & I (getmarwoodi) on 13th Aug 19 at 10:54am
Cheers for the pdf.

For the benefit of the wider reading audience, I suspect the 02/83 start date may be a red herring. I'll drop Doug a line to see if he can elaborate...

Re: Charlton Canadian Price Variants - Posted By Defiant1 (admin) on 13th Aug 19 at 11:29am
Overstreet has been known to post false information intentionally. Surely they wouldn't do that with a market status article, but it's possible.

Defiant1

Re: Charlton Canadian Price Variants - Posted By Defiant1 (admin) on 6th Sep 19 at 5:09am
Since your info aligns with my data over the past 9 years, my plan is to use your dates as a guideline. I will be removing the listings I have that are prior to your date range. That will clean up the dead spots on my checklist where I have been unable to locate scans.

Defiant1

Re: Charlton Canadian Price Variants - Posted By Defiant1 (admin) on 6th Sep 19 at 7:27pm
I will be editing the first message with date range revisions starting today.

Defiant1

Re: Charlton Canadian Price Variants - Posted By Defiant1 (admin) on 11th Sep 19 at 2:54am
Removed some from the list today.

Defiant1

Re: Charlton Canadian Price Variants - Posted By Get Marwood & I (getmarwoodi) on 11th Sep 19 at 12:33pm
 
Since your info aligns with my data over the past 9 years, my plan is to use your dates as a guideline. I will be removing the listings I have that are prior to your date range. That will clean up the dead spots on my checklist where I have been unable to locate scans.

Defiant1


I've only just gotten around to mailing Doug, Def - I'll let you know if he replies and what he says if so.

No one has come froward to contradict my dates in my CGC thread yet:

https://www.cgccomics.com/boards/topic/455835-charlton-canadian-price-variants/

I would imagine if Doug verifies it too, that will be that. If we all agree....

Re: Charlton Canadian Price Variants - Posted By Defiant1 (admin) on 11th Sep 19 at 1:46pm
My guess is that he's working from memory.
Memories can be flawed.
Your dates make sense and it's consistent with what I've seen.

Defiant1

Re: Charlton Canadian Price Variants - Posted By Get Marwood & I (getmarwoodi) on 13th Sep 19 at 3:54am
 
My guess is that he's working from memory.
Memories can be flawed.
Your dates make sense and it's consistent with what I've seen.

Defiant1




I heard back from Doug - he has double checked his inventory and agrees that the date range for these is September 1983 to July 1984 {Cool}

So I make the new potential issue list as follows

Attack (1971) 42, 43, 44, 45, 46
Battlefield Action (1957) 83, 84, 85, 86, 87
Beyond the Grave (1975) 11, 12, 13, 14, 15
Fightin' Army (1957) 166, 167, 168, 169, 170
Fightin' Marines (1955) 170, 171, 172, 173, 174, 175
Fightin' Navy (1956) 127, 128, 129, 130, 131
Ghost Manor (1971) 70, 71, 72, 73, 74, 75
Ghostly Tales (1966) 163, 164, 165, 166, 167
Gunfighters (1966) 80, 81, 82, 83, 84, 85
Haunted (1971) 69, 70, 71, 72, 73, 74
Scary Tales (1975) 40, 41, 42, 43, 44
War (1975) 41, 42, 43, 44, 45

64 possible issues in total, across 12 titles of which I have confirmation of 47




Re: Charlton Canadian Price Variants - Posted By Star Brand (starbrand) on 13th Sep 19 at 11:29am
Great work on this, gentlemen.

Re: Charlton Canadian Price Variants - Posted By Defiant1 (admin) on 13th Sep 19 at 12:14pm
 
 
My guess is that he's working from memory.
Memories can be flawed.
Your dates make sense and it's consistent with what I've seen.

Defiant1




I heard back from Doug - he has double checked his inventory and agrees that the date range for these is September 1983 to July 1984 {Cool}

So I make the new potential issue list as follows

Attack (1971) 42, 43, 44, 45, 46
Battlefield Action (1957) 83, 84, 85, 86, 87
Beyond the Grave (1975) 11, 12, 13, 14, 15
Fightin' Army (1957) 166, 167, 168, 169, 170
Fightin' Marines (1955) 170, 171, 172, 173, 174, 175
Fightin' Navy (1956) 127, 128, 129, 130, 131
Ghost Manor (1971) 70, 71, 72, 73, 74, 75
Ghostly Tales (1966) 163, 164, 165, 166, 167
Gunfighters (1966) 80, 81, 82, 83, 84, 85
Haunted (1971) 69, 70, 71, 72, 73, 74
Scary Tales (1975) 40, 41, 42, 43, 44
War (1975) 41, 42, 43, 44, 45

64 possible issues in total, across 12 titles of which I have confirmation of 47





Glad to hear it since I've removed most of them.
I'm questioning the existence of Fightin' Marines #170 since that would make 6 issues. I'm betting it was released in early September and missed the cut for the month.


I still have some unposted scans, so we'll see which ones are missing when I'm done. I think my biggest holes will be in the title Scary Tales.

Defiant1

Re: Charlton Canadian Price Variants - Posted By Defiant1 (admin) on 13th Sep 19 at 12:21pm
 
Great work on this, gentlemen.


Thank you. You are welcome to contribute here by scouring the web for those Future Comics variants. Smiley

Defiant1


Re: Charlton Canadian Price Variants - Posted By Star Brand (starbrand) on 13th Sep 19 at 11:31pm
I’ll figure something out. Lol

Re: Charlton Canadian Price Variants - Posted By Defiant1 (admin) on 13th Sep 19 at 11:34pm
 
I’ll figure something out. Lol


All is fine. Just kidding.

Defiant1


Re: Charlton Canadian Price Variants - Posted By Get Marwood & I (getmarwoodi) on Today at 9:01am
 
 
 
My guess is that he's working from memory.
Memories can be flawed.
Your dates make sense and it's consistent with what I've seen.

Defiant1




I heard back from Doug - he has double checked his inventory and agrees that the date range for these is September 1983 to July 1984 {Cool}

So I make the new potential issue list as follows

Attack (1971) 42, 43, 44, 45, 46
Battlefield Action (1957) 83, 84, 85, 86, 87
Beyond the Grave (1975) 11, 12, 13, 14, 15
Fightin' Army (1957) 166, 167, 168, 169, 170
Fightin' Marines (1955) 170, 171, 172, 173, 174, 175
Fightin' Navy (1956) 127, 128, 129, 130, 131
Ghost Manor (1971) 70, 71, 72, 73, 74, 75
Ghostly Tales (1966) 163, 164, 165, 166, 167
Gunfighters (1966) 80, 81, 82, 83, 84, 85
Haunted (1971) 69, 70, 71, 72, 73, 74
Scary Tales (1975) 40, 41, 42, 43, 44
War (1975) 41, 42, 43, 44, 45

64 possible issues in total, across 12 titles of which I have confirmation of 47





Glad to hear it since I've removed most of them.
I'm questioning the existence of Fightin' Marines #170 since that would make 6 issues. I'm betting it was released in early September and missed the cut for the month.


I still have some unposted scans, so we'll see which ones are missing when I'm done. I think my biggest holes will be in the title Scary Tales.

Defiant1



So far, no title has more than 5 CPV issues proven. I've seen a similar scenario in other research strands where titles which have a potential number of issues in a variant date range end up constrained by a total number of variants (e.g. the 1999/2000 Marvel Newsstand Variants that I have a thread for over at CGC). In this case, Fightin' Marines #170, Ghost Manor #70, Gunfighters #80 and Haunted #69 may all not have September issues as variants, therefore limiting all titles to 5 variants each.

I can see how that would have been intentional / by design - give me 5 Canadian priced issues for 12 titles please Mr Printer, for my market test to see if they take off.

If true, and no title has six, our target window falls to 60 issues. Good at maths, me {Cool}